The Official UofL Thread (UPDATE: Pitino, Jurich Reportedly Out)

[Dwight Schrute]

I truly suspect that UL is about to get the death penalty. I don't wish for it, and I think it will be damaging, but it's coming.

All of this isn't simply lack of institutional control, it's corruption and complicity on a scale that is staggering.

I went on record in the old thread that nothing would happen to UL, due to the upscale that would be needed to discipline UNC, but this is heading into uncharted territory. I think now, UL can and will be crushed, because the NCAA can now go easier on UNC.

It seems pretty bad, doesn't it? I don't think this really affects their status with the NCAA, as they don't really seem to care about the finances of their members (unless they're paying athletes lolol), but I hope Postel is successful in cleaning this stuff up.

U of L as an institution is too important to this state to get decimated like this. I think they're about to get hammered, though, no doubt.

[Dwight Schrute]

The other thing I wonder here is what was going on with Tom Jurich and Pitino that each was attached to the hip to each other. Especially at the end, he refused to fire the guy. Was Jurich getting kickbacks or something?

[DA#23]

What was going on that allowed those contracts to be signed? James Ramsey signed Jurich's contracts. The whole university (board of trustees, etc) had to be aware of what was happening .

[Dwight Schrute]

There's a reason James Ramsey is no longer at the school, lol.

[Katmendo]

This may need it's own thread, but I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on whether UL deserves the death penalty.

Taking fandom out of the equation, and looking at this as it evolves, I would vote yes.

[UK8STL11]

This may need it's own thread, but I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on whether UL deserves the death penalty.

Taking fandom out of the equation, and looking at this as it evolves, I would vote yes.

If they don't then no school will ever again get the death penalty.

[Dwight Schrute]

This may need it's own thread, but I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on whether UL deserves the death penalty.

Taking fandom out of the equation, and looking at this as it evolves, I would vote yes.

If Tom Jurich is retained, I'd think so. Hard to argue he wasn't an enabler of the basketball program's malfeasance, and it's hard to believe the culture would ever change with him still there.

[DA#23]

but I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on whether UL deserves the death penalty.

Unquestionably yes. Who's done something worse than this? UNC's academic integrity is in shreds, but still, I don't see how this could be any more blatant and egregious.

[Dwight Schrute]

Unquestionably yes. Who's done something worse than this? UNC's academic integrity is in shreds, but still, I don't see how this could be any more blatant and egregious.

I agree it's hard to argue that there's a lower point than slipping 100 stacks to a kid while you're on probation for introducing your previous recruits to your city's oldest profession.

[Uncle Dave]

Here's my concern if they get the death penalty, the health of downtown Louisville. This year UL plays 21 home games at the Yum. Say 21,000 fans per game. That''s over 400,000 per year. How much do they spend eating, drinking, parking, hotel rooms?? Some of those games can be replaced by concerts. Still leaves a deep void for businesses in the area. Thank God Louisville has lots of conventions downtown. THAT is what drives the economy there, but losing UL for several years would be difficult I would think.

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[DA#23]

What do you all think happens to Pitino and Jurich? Any charges?

[Catsrock]

Do they deserve the death penalty? YES. Doesn't really matter if everyone's cheating or not...they were caught red-handed in major recruiting violations while on probation for major recruiting violations.

Will they get the death penalty? I still think not. Punishment will be harsh but not likely THAT harsh.

[Catsrock]

What do you all think happens to Pitino and Jurich? Any charges?

Nothing that will hurt their pocketbooks. Will probably share a private island but they'd rather do that than have separate ones anyway.

[Katmendo]

Here's my concern if they get the death penalty, the health of downtown Louisville. This year UL plays 21 home games at the Yum. Say 21,000 fans per game. That''s over 400,000 per year. How much do they spend eating, drinking, parking, hotel rooms?? Some of those games can be replaced by concerts. Still leaves a deep void for businesses in the area. Thank God Louisville has lots of conventions downtown. THAT is what drives the economy there, but losing UL for several years would be difficult I would think.

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Well, Dave, that's something that should have been at the forefront of the thoughts of the administration and coaching BEFORE committing acts that could create this penalty.

It's like saying you shouldn't have the death penalty for capital crimes because it would cause undue hardship on friends and families of the condemned, or the employers of the condemned. That simply cannot be weighed by the judging agency, but SHOULD be weighed by the offenders. Rick Pitino and Tom Jurich willfully caused this potential hardship. You cannot allow or endorse their misdeeds because they've managed to make the potential pool of affected to grow.

It would be like trying to create a sliding scale of offenders versus the affected. Its the very reason that the language of institutional control was created. The honus MUST be placed on the participants before they act.

UL should get the penalty. This concern over the other affected is not only the burden of the penalizing agency, but also the burden of the offending agency. If you love this city, don't use it as a hostage. Don't use the pretext of the numbers of people affected to shield you from the consequence of doing wrong.

In short, DO THE RIGHT THING.

All that said, I would not be in favor, with UL committing overt acts to change the course of their leadership, to more than a 1 season ban on participation, and an additional year of ban for post season play.

No scholarship reductions, to me. Why limit the opportunity for someone to get an education? It's the one honest thing that UL will have paid for.

[Uncle Dave]

Well, Dave, that's something that should have been at the forefront of the thoughts of the administration and coaching BEFORE committing acts that could create this penalty.

It's like saying you shouldn't have the death penalty for capital crimes because it would cause undue hardship on friends and families of the condemned, or the employers of the condemned. That simply cannot be weighed by the judging agency, but SHOULD be weighed by the offenders. Rick Pitino and Tom Jurich willfully caused this potential hardship. You cannot allow or endorse their misdeeds because they've managed to make the potential pool of affected to grow.

It would be like trying to create a sliding scale of offenders versus the affected. Its the very reason that the language of institutional control was created. The honus MUST be placed on the participants before they act.

UL should get the penalty. This concern over the other affected is not only the burden of the penalizing agency, but also the burden of the offending agency. If you love this city, don't use it as a hostage. Don't use the pretext of the numbers of people affected to shield you from the consequence of doing wrong.

In short, DO THE RIGHT THING.

All that said, I would not be in favor, with UL committing overt acts to change the course of their leadership, to more than a 1 season ban on participation, and an additional year of ban for post season play.

No scholarship reductions, to me. Why limit the opportunity for someone to get an education? It's the one honest thing that UL will have paid for.

Kat, every statement you made is correct. Good reality check.