Yikes! As many as 3 dozen Division I basketball programs could face NCAA penalties

[surveyor]

Yeah, I understand. But cheating in college sports is a tale as old as time.

Yeah, but you said you were unclear regarding the FBI involvement, so................

[Dwight Schrute]

Yeah, but you said you were unclear regarding the FBI involvement, so................

I guess what I mean is, why now? It seems like the kind of thing the NCAA should police itself.

[Lighthouse]

It's not "cheating" if everyone's doing it, but I hope we're not breaking federal laws (I still am unclear why the FBI is involved in this in the first place).

WHAT? Cheating's cheating, no matter how many are involved.

[Catatonic]

Active HOF coaches are Cal, K, Roy, Izzo, Self and Boeheim

Boeheim was the first coach that came to mind after hearing "cheating Hall of Famer". God, I can't stand that guy.

[Dwight Schrute]

WHAT? Cheating's cheating, no matter how many are involved.

Well, by definition, it's not cheating if everyone else is doing it - we're just keeping up. If every major school under the sun is paying players, you can't really call it cheating. It's just breaking the rules.

I personally don't give a rip if we're paying players, and I don't mind players getting paid. I just want it done in the open.

[surveyor]

In this case, to cheat - violate rules dishonestly - is the appropriate definition. It'd be akin to saying one isn't breaking the speed limit if everyone is breaking the speed limit.

[Dwight Schrute]

Cheating: "act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination."

Hard to say you're gaining an advantage when literally everyone's doing it.

[surveyor]

The overarching definition in this case is violation of rules. History indicates that schools have been disciplined less so because it gave an advantage and moreso because it violated rules. If that weren't the case, UofL would not be appealing a case that essentially provided no advantage because the guys plied with ho's ended up attending elsewhere. I'll also argue that based on those women, there's no way to ever convince me that constituted as any sort of advantage or incentive, lol.

[Dwight Schrute]

The overarching definition in this case is violation of rules. History indicates that schools have been disciplined less so because it gave an advantage and moreso because it violated rules. If that weren't the case, UofL would not be appealing a case that essentially provided no advantage because the guys plied with ho's ended up attending elsewhere. I'll also argue that based on those women, there's no way to ever convince me that constituted as any sort of advantage or incentive, lol.

Right, but those are singular cases. I'll go on a limb and say the NCAA isn't going to punish 3 dozen or 50 or however many schools, especially if they're responsible for 75% of the NCAA revenue stream.

[thughes]

This just keeps on getting better and better. According to the article the FBI has spreadsheets detailing who got paid, how much they got paid and how much more they were planning to pay that they took from Andy Miller. They have wiretaps between Andy Miller and a former associate Christian Dawkins talking about landing the top talent before they go pro. It seems that Mr. Miller had relations with a number of coaches on the college and AAU level. The article goes on to state, Sources said this includes numerous prominent players in the upcoming NCAA tournament.

If the situation is as bad as the information coming out suggest, I think that the pressure on the NCAA to do something will be to great to ignore.

[Matt Dillon]

I posted the same article in another thread. Here's the part that is bothersome to me, "If your school produced a first-round pick in the past three years, be worried.”

[KevinHall]

I posted the same article in another thread. Here's the part that is bothersome to me, "If your school produced a first-round pick in the past three years, be worried.”

If all of this comes to fruition it will change the landscape of college basketball. Sounds like every top program will be affected. So be prepared, because chances are good UK is part of this as well as any other top level program.

[catfaninin]

If all of this comes to fruition it will change the landscape of college basketball. Sounds like every top program will be affected. So be prepared, because chances are good UK is part of this as well as any other top level program.

I totally agree. But wouldn't it be ironic if when all is said and done UK and Cal are determined to be one of the clean programs. If such a thing even exists.

[Dwight Schrute]

I'm skeptical the NCAA will punish 50 'top level programs' at all. I could easily see those 50 banding together and telling the NCAA to eat it.

[surveyor]

Nah. That ain't cheatin'. That's jes' keepin' up.

"But, but, officer, ah wuz jus' keepin' up wit duh traffic, so's I warn't really breakin' no rools".