Yikes! As many as 3 dozen Division I basketball programs could face NCAA penalties

[surveyor]

Except Kentucky, Duke, Louisville, etc aren't really competing against the Xaviers or the Butler's of the world. We're competing against Duke, Louisville, Kansas, etc. I'm not condoning the actions (though players getting paid doesn't bother me one bit), merely saying that if it's done to keep up with other schools, it's not cheating as much as just violating the rules.

Nonsense. They're a member of the same organization with access to the same tournament. It's a certain group of schools breaking rules, or taking advantage of third parties breaking rules, in order to maintain that position over the other schools.

[Dwight Schrute]

Nonsense. They're a member of the same organization with access to the same tournament. It's a certain group of schools breaking rules, or taking advantage of third parties breaking rules, in order to maintain that position over the other schools.

We're not recruiting against them, which is what this relates to.

[Dwight Schrute]

The power conference programs don't need to cheat to maintain their advantage over the other programs - the advantages are inherent. If programs are violating rules en masse, it's to keep up and maintain their positions in conferences and amongst other power 5 programs.

That there are 250 other programs in smaller conferences is irrelevant.

[Spiritof96]

I don't doubt that this could run deep and roll UK up with everyone else, but me thinks Pat Forde has decided that if his school can't play than no one can.

“If your school produced a first-round pick in the past three years, be worried.”

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/yahoo-sports-if-your-school-produced-a-first-round-pick-in-the-past-three-years-be-worried/

[lilproUK98]

Oops, check that: I just ran a search using the terms "ASM Sports" and "Kentucky" and found that Marquis Teague actually signed with Andy Miller.

Also found an article that drops the name of Matt Ramker, who was one of Andy Miller's co-agents, that mentions Kevin Knox in a general way.

http://www.tbo.com/sports/basketball...pa-bay/2338874

I don't think the fact that a player signed with that agency really means anything until it actually does. Teague had no reason to take $$ before he signed with them given his brother had already been in the NBA for yrs.

[Joneslab]

If you listen to Forde and Thamel tell it virtually anybody who was anybody was taking money.

I sort of wonder why Yahoo! published not one but two pieces not on the findings, but on files that are allegedly on a computer.

[surveyor]

The power conference programs don't need to cheat to maintain their advantage over the other programs - the advantages are inherent. If programs are violating rules en masse, it's to keep up and maintain their positions in conferences and amongst other power 5 programs.

That there are 250 other programs in smaller conferences is irrelevant.

That makes no sense. At all. Leave out the bottom 1/3rd of those programs and focus on the tier that's trying to get to the next level. They're all playing by the same rules. To make the blanket statement that "they's awl dewin' it, so's it ain't cheatin'", discounts the levels or degree among the top teams. Let's say one, two or six teams are getting more recruits due to shoe company money than the remainder of the top 40 teams. Does that constitute an advantage?

Lets say a few teams knew what was going on and had more players funneled to their program, but the others were unaware that the handful of recruits coming their way were paid. Wouldn't that be cheating?

The whole reason these rules are in place are for the lesser advantaged programs.

[Dwight Schrute]

That makes no sense. At all. Leave out the bottom 1/3rd of those programs and focus on the tier that's trying to get to the next level. They're all playing by the same rules. To make the blanket statement that "they's awl dewin' it, so's it ain't cheatin'", discounts the levels or degree among the top teams. Let's say one, two or six teams are getting more recruits due to shoe company money than the remainder of the top 40 teams. Does that constitute an advantage?

Except when they're not. The fact is the NCAA already instituted a class system designed to keep down the mid-majors.

Lets say a few teams knew what was going on and had more players funneled to their program, but the others were unaware that the handful of recruits coming their way were paid. Wouldn't that be cheating?

Except this is kind of non-existent if anywhere from 36-50 schools were in on the game. And, again, the mid majors are already being kept down by the NCAA governing bodies.

The whole reason these rules are in place are for the lesser advantaged programs.

Cue your hahahahaha baby video.

[teamchemistry15]

I've seen it mentioned a few times that Nerlens was Miller's client at one point. I suppose that could be reason to worry, but at least if he was ineligible the only thing we vacate is a first round loss in the NIT.

[lilproUK98]

It seems this really only eludes to the last 3 yrs too. Teague has been gone almost 6 yrs now....

[lilproUK98]

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html?__twitter_impression=true

Here's what looks to be the info......

"A listing that refers to “BAM” for $12,000 is later identified in the documents as Edrice “Bam” Adebayo, who would go on to play at Kentucky in 2016-17. He did not sign with ASM. There’s a later reference to Adebayo that says he received $36,500. “Bad loan,” reads the document."

Knox is also listed as meeting with or having meals with Dawkins. Not a violation so long as he paid for the meal and received no $$.

Bam seems to be another story, if he did receive $36,500....

[CATHYnKY]

Uh oh. Was the UK staff aware of this? A loan???

[George]

Knew it was only a matter of time. Bam’s name wasn’t at the top of my list, though.

[BobS]

This is going to blow up in our face. The BAM and Noel connection is bad.

The Knox lunch is nothing if that is all it was.

[George]

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports...mpression=true

Here's what looks to be the info......

"A listing that refers to “BAM” for $12,000 is later identified in the documents as Edrice “Bam” Adebayo, who would go on to play at Kentucky in 2016-17. He did not sign with ASM. There’s a later reference to Adebayo that says he received $36,500. “Bad loan,” reads the document."

Knox is also listed as meeting with or having meals with Dawkins. Not a violation so long as he paid for the meal and received no $$.

Bam seems to be another story, if he did receive $36,500....

Knox is listed on Dawkins' expense report. KSR says, "The agent sought reimbursement for meals purchased for a dozen players," including Knox, Duke's Wendell Carter, and others.