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  • Lighthouse
    Gone But Never Forgotten
    • Oct 2014
    • 35962
    #31
    Originally posted by Spiritof96

    You mean the NBA should mandate that? The NCAA has no control over that.
    The one year of college and age qualification is a NBA rule and the NCAA has no control over it. The NBA itself supports a two year rule, but the players union blocks it.
    John 3:3

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      • Dwight Schrute
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 18716
        #32
        If there's 50 and they're major programs, the NCAA is likely going to have relatively little say over anything at that point. The group of 50 should just band together to form their own high-major league. The NCAA would instantly be relegated to a second tier college league.

        I'll say, if Kentucky comes out of this relatively unmentioned (a huge if and probably unlikely), I'm gonna laugh until the next week.

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          • Spiritof96
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 13503
            #33
            Originally posted by Lighthouse

            The one year of college and age qualification is a NBA rule and the NCAA has no control over it. The NBA itself supports a two year rule, but the players union blocks it.
            That is what I said. Unless I am misunderstanding.
            Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
            ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
            Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
            No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
            RIP: Charlie Munger​

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              • Lighthouse
                Gone But Never Forgotten
                • Oct 2014
                • 35962
                #34
                Originally posted by Spiritof96

                That is what I said. Unless I am misunderstanding.
                I went back and read your post again. You did say the NBA should mandate.
                John 3:3

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                  • Catsrock
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 5560
                    #35
                    Originally posted by surveyor

                    I don't care if we cheated so long as no one broke a federal law doing it............
                    Pretty much. I wish you could give me a reason to respect the NCAA.

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                      • surveyor
                        Administrator
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 14474
                        #36
                        Originally posted by Catsrock

                        Pretty much. I wish you could give me a reason to respect the NCAA.
                        I'm unaware that I've stated such an opinion regarding the NCAA.
                        Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

                        Clint Eastwood

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                          • Catsrock
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 5560
                            #37
                            Originally posted by surveyor

                            I'm unaware that I've stated such an opinion regarding the NCAA.
                            Sorry...wish SOMEONE could give me a reason to respect the NCAA. It just ain't happening.

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                              • surveyor
                                Administrator
                                • Oct 2014
                                • 14474
                                #38
                                Originally posted by Catsrock

                                Sorry...wish SOMEONE could give me a reason to respect the NCAA. It just ain't happening.
                                Ah. Got it. I thought maybe my comments were construed to favor the NCAA.
                                Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

                                Clint Eastwood

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                                  • Uncle Dave
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Oct 2014
                                    • 1979
                                    #39
                                    Originally posted by surveyor

                                    I don't care if we cheated so long as no one broke a federal law doing it............
                                    IF Federal laws were broken, some very popular people are going to Federal prison. I'm speculating: wire fraud, perjury, money laundering, tampering, and no telling what else.

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                                      • justford
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Oct 2014
                                        • 4669
                                        #40
                                        Originally posted by Will Lavender
                                        Pete Thamel puts the number at 50. This includes Hall of Fame coaches and, according to Thamel, at least half the schools the NCAA put on its mock brackets last weekend.

                                        Probably undoubtable that Kentucky gets hit in that. That's the entirety of the power conferences.

                                        Andy Miller was Nerlens Noel's agent at one point.

                                        https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-col...224417174.html
                                        Active HOF coaches are Cal, K, Roy, Izzo, Self and Boeheim . Since "coaches" would imply two or more, let the speculation begin.

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                                          • Dwight Schrute
                                            Senior Member
                                            • Oct 2014
                                            • 18716
                                            #41
                                            It's not "cheating" if everyone's doing it, but I hope we're not breaking federal laws (I still am unclear why the FBI is involved in this in the first place).

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                                              • surveyor
                                                Administrator
                                                • Oct 2014
                                                • 14474
                                                #42
                                                Originally posted by Dwight Schrute
                                                It's not "cheating" if everyone's doing it, but I hope we're not breaking federal laws (I still am unclear why the FBI is involved in this in the first place).
                                                It's being investigated as bribery and fraud. Allegedly, the schools are "victims" of fraud because they're recruiting a kid they believed to be an amateur. Not sure how that squares with employee(s) of the schools being in on the fraud.
                                                One assistant coach - Auburn, perhaps? Arizona? - had charges dropped even though he accepted money from the shoe company. The charge was dropped because he kept the money instead of giving it to the kid's family. Had he given it to the kid's family, it would have been a bribe.
                                                Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

                                                Clint Eastwood

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                                                  • Joneslab
                                                    Senior Member
                                                    • Oct 2014
                                                    • 39604
                                                    #43
                                                    Jonathan Augustine was the guy the FBI dropped the charges against last week. AAU guy.

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                                                      • surveyor
                                                        Administrator
                                                        • Oct 2014
                                                        • 14474
                                                        #44
                                                        Originally posted by Will Lavender
                                                        Jonathan Augustine was the guy the FBI dropped the charges against last week. AAU guy.
                                                        Ah. Thanks. Was thinking it was a college coach.
                                                        Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

                                                        Clint Eastwood

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                                                          • Dwight Schrute
                                                            Senior Member
                                                            • Oct 2014
                                                            • 18716
                                                            #45
                                                            Originally posted by surveyor

                                                            It's being investigated as bribery and fraud. Allegedly, the schools are "victims" of fraud because they're recruiting a kid they believed to be an amateur. Not sure how that squares with employee(s) of the schools being in on the fraud.
                                                            One assistant coach - Auburn, perhaps? Arizona? - had charges dropped even though he accepted money from the shoe company. The charge was dropped because he kept the money instead of giving it to the kid's family. Had he given it to the kid's family, it would have been a bribe.
                                                            Yeah, I understand. But cheating in college sports is a tale as old as time.

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