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  • Blue Heaven
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 6283

    #316
    Yeah it would have been cool to see the indian that saved him sew the bear's skin that Glass killed to his back. That supposedly happened. Regardless, Glass was one bad mutha. It would also have been nice to see that Glass didnt get Fitzgerald killed, or even fight with him. In reality, he just wanted his rifle back. He didnt kill Fitzgerald because he had joined the Army and killing him would have meant certain death for Glass.
    Isaiah 5:20

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    • George
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 10355

      #317
      Plus, how many of us wouldn't have left a seemingly-dead man's side in those conditions? With hostile natives bearing down on us? With all but certain death staring us in the face, as well as Glass? It's a complicated but sympathetic situation. Could've led the audience to ask themselves some strong moral questions.

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      • Joneslab
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 39604

        #318
        Originally posted by Downes Van Zandt
        Plus, how many of us wouldn't have left a seemingly-dead man's side in those conditions? With hostile natives bearing down on us? With all but certain death staring us in the face, as well as Glass? It's a complicated but sympathetic situation. Could've led the audience to ask themselves some strong moral questions.
        SPOILERS, of course.

        I'm not sure if we're talking about the movie story or the history story, but I think the major dilemma in the movie was the murder of the son.

        It looked like Glass gave the guy permission to kill him with the blink. The whole conflict was with the son...and the fact that the guy was a thieving, greedy marauder.

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        • George
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 10355

          #319
          Originally posted by Will Lavender

          SPOILERS, of course.

          I'm not sure if we're talking about the movie story or the history story, but I think the major dilemma in the movie was the murder of the son.

          It looked like Glass gave the guy permission to kill him with the blink. The whole conflict was with the son...and the fact that the guy was a thieving, greedy marauder.
          Right. I'm saying the fabrication of the son was unnecessary. I think the historical account would have been compelling enough on its own and given audiences more to chew on. Of course they're going to pull for the guy when he's seeking revenge for the murder of his kid. A more interesting conversation would have been whether or not Fitzgerald and co. were in the wrong, and whether or not we'd have done the same. That would have been something audiences could wrestle with.

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          • Wonderstruck
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 962

            #320
            Originally posted by Will Lavender

            SPOILERS, of course.

            I'm not sure if we're talking about the movie story or the history story, but I think the major dilemma in the movie was the murder of the son.

            It looked like Glass gave the guy permission to kill him with the blink. The whole conflict was with the son...and the fact that the guy was a thieving, greedy marauder.
            Glass held on as long as he could with the blink. Eventually he had to close his eyes. That's why Glass tells him in the end that there was never a deal. It was always Fitzgerald's intentions to kill him; he just wanted it to seem as humane as possible from every angle.

            I maintain that Hardy makes this film go. He's such a great bad guy. I couldn't stand him in this.

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            • Wonderstruck
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 962

              #321
              Will be catching Zootopia on Friday or Saturday with my wife and three sons. It looks like another Disney hit, as all indications are that it's awesome. I can't wait.

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              • Joneslab
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 39604

                #322
                Originally posted by Wonderstruck

                Glass held on as long as he could with the blink. Eventually he had to close his eyes. That's why Glass tells him in the end that there was never a deal.
                He tells him that the deal was void when he stabbed his son to death.

                And unlike Downes, I thought the son was vitally necessary. I'm not that intrigued by a movie about a fur trapping dispute. The son was essential to the novel and the movie. The alternate version, where Glass tracks him over a rifle or whatever, sounds...well, terrible.

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                • Wonderstruck
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 962

                  #323
                  Originally posted by Will Lavender

                  He tells him that the deal was void when he stabbed his son to death.
                  He actually doesn't say this in the movie. Perhaps he does in the novel, but it's nowhere in the movie script. Glass' exact words were, "There was no deal. [pause] You killed my boy." If he had simply said, "You killed my boy," then I would agree that that he nullified any deal that was in place. But letting Fitz know there was never a deal is the clincher for me.
                  Last edited by Wonderstruck; 03-02-2016, 02:35 PM.

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                  • KCKUKFan
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2014
                    • 14228

                    #324
                    Side note with regards to The Revenant: did anybody understand a single word of dialogue that Tom Hardy spoke?

                    His accent was fascinating and nearly impossible to peg down.

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                    • George
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 10355

                      #325
                      Originally posted by KCKUKFan
                      Side note with regards to The Revenant: did anybody understand a single word of dialogue that Tom Hardy spoke?

                      His accent was fascinating and nearly impossible to peg down.
                      I think you just call that one "Hick" and be done with it. Couldn't tell you a region of origin if my life depended on it. Similarities to Appalachian, but a much heavier accent.

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                      • KCKUKFan
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2014
                        • 14228

                        #326
                        Originally posted by Downes Van Zandt

                        I think you just call that one "Hick" and be done with it. Couldn't tell you a region of origin if my life depended on it. Similarities to Appalachian, but a much heavier accent.
                        Makes you appreciate the performance more. How do you stay in that dialect that doesn't really have an origin?

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                        • George
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 10355

                          #327
                          Originally posted by KCKUKFan

                          Makes you appreciate the performance more. How do you stay in that dialect that doesn't really have an origin?
                          That, his shifty eyes, and the way he couldn't sit still. Not to take anything away from Leo's suffering for art, but the better acting came from Hardy.

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                          • KCKUKFan
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2014
                            • 14228

                            #328
                            Originally posted by Downes Van Zandt

                            That, his shifty eyes, and the way he couldn't sit still. Not to take anything away from Leo's suffering for art, but the better acting came from Hardy.
                            Let's fact it: Leo was suffering for a little golden statue, not art.

                            Leo's performance in "The Wolf Of Wall Street" was much more impressive than "The Revenant," but the Academy didn't have the stones to award that movie what it deserved.

                            I guess it's all a moot point, since he should've won a decade ago for his performance in "The Aviator."

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                            • Joneslab
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 39604

                              #329
                              Originally posted by Wonderstruck

                              He actually doesn't say this in the movie. Perhaps he does in the novel, but it's nowhere in the movie script. Glass' exact words were, "There was no deal. [pause] You killed my boy." If he had simply said, "You killed my boy," then I would agree that that he nullified any deal that was in place. But letting Fitz know there was never a deal is the clincher for me.
                              That entire conversation actually doesn't show up in the screenplay at all, it doesn't look like.

                              I think the blink is open to interpretation, but I took the unusual time he closes his eyes for as indicative of giving up, and then the son's murder is the catalyst for his desire to live. Could be wrong, but I think the filmmakers were letting viewers draw their own judgments there.

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                              • Blue Heaven
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2014
                                • 6283

                                #330
                                Originally posted by Will Lavender

                                That entire conversation actually doesn't show up in the screenplay at all, it doesn't look like.

                                I think the blink is open to interpretation, but I took the unusual time he closes his eyes for as indicative of giving up, and then the son's murder is the catalyst for his desire to live. Could be wrong, but I think the filmmakers were letting viewers draw their own judgments there.
                                I thought it was fairly obvious that Glass didn't give him permission. He was holding out that blink for as long as he could.
                                Isaiah 5:20

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