Missouri Players Vow Not To Play.............

[Matt Dillon]

The bad thing is, this isnt about something the president did. He has done nothing wrong. Its the perception that he didnt do enough about other students who made racial comments or had racially motivated actions. This was really unfair to this man. As far as white people discussing black issues. I wonder how Wolfe feels about that. No president or dean of a school can control the thought process of others. I was ok with Black lives matter until certain politicians were booed for saying all lives mattered. I could go on all day about this stuff but I really dont want to offend anyone (maybe too late) There is very little intellectual honesty when talking about racial issues, only great effort in saying what is expected of you.

You nailed it, in my opinion.

[UK39]

If Tim Wolfe was black, would the reaction towards him be the same?

[JFCats22]

If Tim Wolfe was black, would the reaction towards him be the same?

Nope, no way!

[catfan]

I thought the fb team had been on strike for over a month. (1-5)
Lets see if they can walk the walk against BYU after talking the talk.

[justford]

Do any of you see a scenario where the athletes get together and demand a coach be fired or a new AD be hired or a professor be fired by refusing to play, thereby costing the university millions of dollars? If a college president can be forced out where does it stop?

[Spiritof96]

Do any of you see a scenario where the athletes get together and demand a coach be fired or a new AD be hired or a professor be fired by refusing to play, thereby costing the university millions of dollars? If a college president can be forced out where does it stop?

Not by themselves.

The football players in this case had some backing from the student body and some faculty. I also think the reason for the strike would would matter. For example, racism is nigh universally rejected by American's and when you wrap yourself in that cause it is going to be tough to find very many voices who want to weigh in with any sort of skepticism or push back for fear of being labeled a racist.

I will say that if full scholarship football players across the country were willing to sacrifice a season and got together for a strike to demand compensation for play, I think the NCAA and by extension Universities would fold.

[boomdaddy]

The problem with pay for play is that the universities will have to give money to all the players for all the sports, including the ones that are already a financial drain on the schools. If that happens, the fans of the football and the men;s basketball teams will be paying higher ticket prices to support the swim, lacrosse, and tiddly wink teams.

[boomdaddy]

Back to the Missouri issue, I doubt the football players would have been as united, if the coaching staff hadn't joined them. I also doubt the Missouri President and Chancelor (?) would have been fired, if there wasn't million dollar payout hanging in the balance if the Missouri team failed to play their next football game.

[Joneslab]

For example, racism is nigh universally rejected by American's...

It's universally rejected by some. By others not so much.

I doubt if you spoke to many blacks they would agree that racism should be universally rejected. The problem--and I can only speak for me personally--is when racism becomes a reason for any of life's problems. The same could go for women, or really any minority: if you begin to feel like all your issues are due to sexism or some other kind of -ism, then IMO that should be universally rejected.

But I have racists in my family right now. In 2015. I know they're racist because they've told me they are. I've heard them say things. I refuse to reject that racism is a thing when I actually see it happening.

[Spiritof96]

The problem with pay for play is that the universities will have to give money to all the players for all the sports, including the ones that are already a financial drain on the schools. If that happens, the fans of the football and the men;s basketball teams will be paying higher ticket prices to support the swim, lacrosse, and tiddly wink teams.

I am not sure that is true; but even if it were, I would not be opposed to contracting those minor sports all together and I think title IX is being grossly misapplied in varsity athletics anyway. FAR too much football revenue is spent on teams that aren't CLOSE earning enough revenue to break even.

[Spiritof96]

It's universally rejected by some. By others not so much.

I doubt if you spoke to many blacks they would agree that racism should be universally rejected. The problem--and I can only speak for me personally--is when racism becomes a reason for any of life's problems. The same could go for women, or really any minority: if you begin to feel like all your issues are due to sexism or some other kind of -ism, then IMO that should be universally rejected.

But I have racists in my family right now. In 2015. I know they're racist because they've told me they are. I've heard them say things. I refuse to reject that racism is a thing when I actually see it happening.

I don't understand this post.

You don't think that blacks agree that racism should be rejected and shouted down? They want to keep it around for some reason?

[boomdaddy]

I do not like seeing players unjustly hold a university hostage. I would like to see the power five conferences hold the NCAA hostage, kick them to curb, and start their own organization.

[Joneslab]

I don't understand this post.

You don't think that blacks agree that racism should be rejected and shouted down? They want to keep it around for some reason?

Ah, I see your point. I misunderstood. My fault.

[Joneslab]

I do not like seeing players unjustly hold a university hostage.

Not just a university but individual people's lives.

These kinds of accusations shouldn't be toyed with. God knows that some of the equality movements we've seen in the past are necessary, but this one seems to undermine those. This feels almost violently trivial.

[Spiritof96]

Ah, I see your point. I misunderstood. My fault.

No worries. I figured.