Kentucky coaching changes

[40bill]

Hearing some vague rumors the there will be a bigger shakeup than we've had the last few years on the staff..all talk and smoke. Hinshaw seems to be mentioned a bit, as does (as normal) the receivers coach. Also a theory that the new hire replacing Schlarman would have more input in the offense

Anyone heard any more conjectures (other than the yearly fire Stoops chant?)

[Lighthouse]

I had not heard anything but this doesn't surprise me.

[Matt Dillon]

Coach Stoops said after the season is over he's going to evaluate some things, whatever that means.

[Los Gatos]

Hearing some vague rumors the there will be a bigger shakeup than we've had the last few years on the staff..all talk and smoke. Hinshaw seems to be mentioned a bit, as does (as normal) the receivers coach. Also a theory that the new hire replacing Schlarman would have more input in the offense

Anyone heard any more conjectures (other than the yearly fire Stoops chant?)

Did you notice that newly hired Coach Jagodzinski was the OC for brother Bob with the Dallas XFL team?

[40bill]

Did you notice that newly hired Coach Jagodzinski was the OC for brother Bob with the Dallas XFL team?

Yeah, I did. I just threw out somewhere that could be a sign of something to come, BUT he was a successful head coach at BC as well.

I'm not sure I should read a lot in a frustrated coach statement after two bad losses, especially in the days of Covid.
I think Matt was kind of hinting at it, but we have heard quite a few times from coach about changing the offense.

Kind if like others have said it's a chicken and egg thing...you dont throw =you dont get top notch recievers=you dont throw. Unless you're Leach, then you throw and lose but eventually you get those kids that help you win.

[Dwight Schrute]

I understand needing to let Gran go but this coaching staff has been successful over the last 4 years. I’d be careful.

[KCKUKFan]

I'm not convinced that firing Gran will fix the offensive woes.

We still wont have any receivers and Stoops will just hamstring whoever he hires. When it comes to our offense, Gran is a symptom. Stoops is the problem.

[SBCatMan]

IMO, it is possible that one of the problems with the offense is not so much that we do not, or cannot, throw the ball effectively as it is that we seem to lack an offensive “identity.” Last year we almost NEVER threw the ball, and we did just fine. Of course, we had an exceptional athlete at QB, but we put up some enormous numbers. We threw the ball sparingly, but reasonably effectively, during the Snell years, but we knew that the running game was our bread and butter and we leaned on it when we had to do so. This year, not so much.

Just TRYING to throw the ball has gotten us into needless trouble. Would we have thrown the ball on that critical goal line situation vs Auburn last year, or the year before, or the year before? No, because we would have known that we could run it in. We had Ole Miss on the ropes. We were up 2 scores and driving to put the game away. They could not stop our ground game. So, we get cute and try to throw the ball, get behind the chains, miss a FG and the momentum turns and we lose in OT. The first series in the Mizzou game, where we come out slinging it, set the tone for the whole afternoon. Even vs Florida, we have a first down at their 20 and a couple of ill-advised pass attempts later we PUNT!

it is not so much WHAT you do as it is what you do WELL. We have one of the best OLs in the country and FIVE capable RBs plus a mobile QB. Trying to be what we are not has cost us 2 or 3 games this year.

I am not sure that we are going through a coaching issue so much as we are going through an identity issue.

[Los Gatos]

I understand needing to let Gran go but this coaching staff has been successful over the last 4 years. I’d be careful.

Well, I don't understand needing to fire Gran. We have replaced the OC twice before and not resolved the problem. Why do you think it will work this time? The only argument I see for firing Gran is based on Stoops. If Mark has lost confidence in Gran maybe he would let a different OC actually run the offense. IE the problem is not the OC, it's the head coach. I don't see how this problem will be resolved until the head coach is will to let the OC run a different offense. If that takes a different OC so be it.

[surveyor]

Gran has essentially been producing the offense that Stoops requires.

[40bill]

I think it's kind of a red herring when we talk of the other OCs...Neal Brown made no bones about he wanted to be a head coach sooner than later...and judging him with the personnel he had isnt quite fair.
Shannon Dawson....well...I tend to think NOW he was OC at WVU in name only...the head coach (Holmgren???) Was more of th offensive mind...or so it seemed.

And if we are comparing positions, arent we on our third DC as well??? Eliott just couldn't seem to cut it, and our next one went pro I believe.

While I'm trying to be honest, gotta wonder if Grans offense at Cincinatti wasn't as much Tuberville as him.

BUT.....Stoops has been clear...he likes physical, smash mouth football.

My biggest concern during Stoops run is what appears to be a serious lack of discipline on the team...not the idiot shove the QB plays alone. But not staying in lanes or position...and there seems to be little consequences for those discipline breaks.

Losing Gran wont fix that.

[Dwight Schrute]

Well, I don't understand needing to fire Gran. We have replaced the OC twice before and not resolved the problem. Why do you think it will work this time? The only argument I see for firing Gran is based on Stoops. If Mark has lost confidence in Gran maybe he would let a different OC actually run the offense. IE the problem is not the OC, it's the head coach. I don't see how this problem will be resolved until the head coach is will to let the OC run a different offense. If that takes a different OC so be it.

I guess what I'm saying is I get why Gran may be the one to fall on his sword.

I agree changing OCs won't fix the problem unless Stoops lets him work.

[Lighthouse]

I agree with all those who believe the problem with our offense isn't the OC but the HC. CS is a defensive specialist and when he was at Florida State, his defenses were very good, but their offense wasn't smash mouth football. Bowden had good runners, but also had a passing game. After being in that environment, it surprises me he would even try to be involved in our offense.

[Spiritof96]

I agree with all those who believe the problem with our offense isn't the OC but the HC. CS is a defensive specialist and when he was at Florida State, his defenses were very good, but their offense wasn't smash mouth football. Bowden had good runners, but also had a passing game. After being in that environment, it surprises me he would even try to be involved in our offense.

That is a good underappreciated point.

Yet I wonder about Stoop's perspective. I know he thinks grinder-ball helps the defense, I wonder if he doesn't have blinders on as it relates to the total team. Like, he still thinks like a coordinator who wants his piece to shine win or lose.

Slowing down the game kept the D off the field when we didn't have the horses. Now that we do, it shouldn't be a concern.

[surveyor]

I recall Charlie Strong stepped in it a bit at Louisville when he commented (after a game or during a call in show) that he would be happier with a 6-3 win than winning with a high score. One of my best friends had season tickets at the time and he remarked that he wouldn't be sitting in the cold in December to watch a "plod-fest".

Strong came from the same environment at Florida.

I've noticed that a lot with DCs that have become head coaches. I've often thought it's harder for a DC to adapt as a head coach than it is for an OC.