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  • 40bill
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2014
    • 8451

    #16
    Some good points...I think something we overlook is that CS philosophy at FSU was a "bend dont break' defense that if I recall lived off turnovers...the other teams errors.

    I think it's really apparent in interviews Coach is NOT comfortable with the offensive side...there have been occaisions when speaking of defense he gets almost mad scientist speaking of positions, angles, lanes, coverage.. on offense it's usually 'behind in the chains'.

    My brother has seen old vids of Woody Hayes, Warren Moon and others. Successful coaches all come back to 'use what works'. Hayes pointed out his rep for 3 yards and a cloud of dust belied the fact that his teams would lead the conference in passing as well...or at least be in the top ranks.

    One dimensional offenses normally get caught up to unless you are exceptionally....and I mean exceptionally good at a method...the Georgia Tech Triple option...(which likely injured more d linenen in the nation with chop and crack back blocks)... Air Force and their running.

    But back to an earlier point someone had...when I watch Coach, I see more of a passionate defensive coordinator than an overall coach.

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    • Blue Heaven
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 6283

      #17
      ^ Stoops took a terrible defense at FSU and turned them into one of the top units in the country.
      Isaiah 5:20

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      • Dwight Schrute
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 18716

        #18
        Gran and Hinshaw have been let go.

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        • SBCatMan
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 1765

          #19
          Personally, I would have kept Gran and replaced Hinshaw with a dedicated and experienced “passing game coordinator.” Gran probably had his limitations, but he was a GREAT RB coach. That had been his strength since the Cadillac Williams days at Auburn. If you recall, they, too, were criticized for an ineffective passing game.

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          • Dwight Schrute
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 18716

            #20
            KSR says the plan is to ‘open up the offense’ more which I will believe when I see. It is possible, I guess, that this represents an intent to shift the overall philosophy of the offense.

            At least I hope that’s the case.

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            • Los Gatos
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 1692

              #21
              Almost as soon as I saw the announcement of the hiring of coach Jag, I suspected there was more to it than advertised. The bit about him being brother Bob's OC with the XFL team set off alarm bells. Maybe I' all wrong but sure looks like he will be the new OC.

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              • Matt Dillon
                Administrator
                • Oct 2014
                • 49622

                #22
                Originally posted by SBCatMan
                Personally, I would have kept Gran and replaced Hinshaw with a dedicated and experienced “passing game coordinator.” Gran probably had his limitations, but he was a GREAT RB coach. That had been his strength since the Cadillac Williams days at Auburn. If you recall, they, too, were criticized for an ineffective passing game.
                I'd still love to see coach Stoops bring Randy Sanders on board, if possible, just to coach the QB's. He's one of the best in the business at developing QB's in my opinion.
                Philippians 4:11-4:13

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                • TrueblueCATfan
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 16272

                  #23
                  Looks like Gran and Hinshaw are both out

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                  • Jload
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2015
                    • 2057

                    #24
                    It’s a good start. We had one of the worst passing offenses in D1. Can’t expect the personnel needed to come here as recruits that can change this if you don’t change coordinators IMO. I DO think Stoops offensive philosophy is part of problem ,so we need a guy with a personality forceful enough to convince the coach to let him do his job. We also need somebody on this staff that can recruit a passing QB, IMO Stoops has never had a good one, by design it would seem to me. That needs to change if he ever wants to be a force in the conference.

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                    • Matt Dillon
                      Administrator
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 49622

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Jload
                      It’s a good start. We had one of the worst passing offenses in D1. Can’t expect the personnel needed to come here as recruits that can change this if you don’t change coordinators IMO. I DO think Stoops offensive philosophy is part of problem ,so we need a guy with a personality forceful enough to convince the coach to let him do his job. We also need somebody on this staff that can recruit a passing QB, IMO Stoops has never had a good one, by design it would seem to me. That needs to change if he ever wants to be a force in the conference.
                      I think we have one (Beau Allen) now.
                      Philippians 4:11-4:13

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                      • Matt Dillon
                        Administrator
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 49622

                        #26
                        If these moves are going to mean anything, the next person signing on, as OC, should make it clear, to coach Stoops, that he's (the new OC) going to be running the off.
                        Philippians 4:11-4:13

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                        • KCKUKFan
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2014
                          • 14228

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Dwight Schrute
                          KSR says the plan is to ‘open up the offense’ more which I will believe when I see. It is possible, I guess, that this represents an intent to shift the overall philosophy of the offense.

                          At least I hope that’s the case.
                          As long as Mark Stoops is here, this is not going to happen.

                          It seems to me that Gran was fired to keep the fans in line. I don't believe anything will actually change offensively, and until we recruit some high-level WRs, it's not going to matter much anyway.

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                          • Matt Dillon
                            Administrator
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 49622

                            #28
                            Scapegoats thrown under the bus.
                            Philippians 4:11-4:13

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                            • Lighthouse
                              Gone But Never Forgotten
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 35962

                              #29
                              Originally posted by KCKUKFan

                              As long as Mark Stoops is here, this is not going to happen.

                              It seems to me that Gran was fired to keep the fans in line. I don't believe anything will actually change offensively, and until we recruit some high-level WRs, it's not going to matter much anyway.
                              And High-Level WR's are not going to come here until they see the change. And I want to see it too.
                              John 3:3

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                              • 40bill
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2014
                                • 8451

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Matt Dillon
                                Scapegoats thrown under the bus.
                                Unfortunately, I agree.

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