UK/KU Game Thread

[J.Jennings]

On the possession at the end of the game the TO was on Murray standing there. If he move two steps in either direction, which is what Ulis was expecting, he would've had a wide open three to win the game.

Problem is this,, why would you have Murray standing there with a 5'9 guard with the ball instead of having your 6'5 hybrid pg/sg Nba talented scorer with the ball in his hands??????? Makes no sense to me.....

[teamchemistry15]

Just got home after watching the game at some friends house. I haven't read a single post yet, but I bet there are several blaming the officials for the loss. I will be watching the game again either tomorrow afternoon or on Monday, and I'll post my thoughts then. Right now I'm disappointed with the loss, but very proud of the way they played through adversity. The Cats grew up a lot tonight, and I expect the results to help them down the road. It was a very hostile environment and KU looked like they were trying to give the game away, and we just couldn't get over the hump.

Lighthouse, do us a favor and go over this one with a fine toothed comb. I am very anxious to see your opinion on how "bad the refs were." I will be willing to bet they weren't quite as bad as some of us are suggesting.

[Westtncat]

I don't see how anyone can be that upset over losing in overtime to Kansas at Kansas. We can play with anyone, that's what matters at tourney time. We played very well. There are good losses and bad losses, That one wont hurt us. If anything an overtime loss at Kansas will be viewed as a valiant effort.

[teamchemistry15]

Problem is this,, why would you have Murray standing there with a 5'9 guard with the ball instead of having your 6'5 hybrid pg/sg Nba talented scorer with the ball in his hands??????? Makes no sense to me.....

See post 221 where you said yourself Ulis is our best ball handler and one of the top point guards in the country. He knows how to play ball and was expecting that super talented NBA prospect Murray to be smart enough to slightly move without the ball in his hands. Murray is our best shooter. Why not have someone, who has been getting to the lane all game, drive and kick? The play was there, Cal called it correctly, Murray just didn't execute.

[teamchemistry15]

I don't see how anyone can but that upset over losing in overtime to Kansas at Kansas. We can play with anyone, that's what matters at tourney time. We played very well. There are good losses and bad losses, That one wont hurt us. If anything an overtime loss at Kansas will be viewed as a valiant effort.

This. We fought all game, played hard, and competed with a very good and experienced team in the toughest environment anyone on our team has ever played in. Nothing wrong at all with a loss. We still commit dumb fouls and still have moments of little to no effort, but tonight was definitely a step forward. Willis not playing well hurt and Lee "not touching anyone" hurt. Poythress was fine, Briscoe was sensational, Ulis was Ulis, and Murray was decent. If we play that game anywhere else in the country against any other team, except maybe UNC and Oklahoma, we win. Some fans just like to look at very specific plays or incidents and put the blame of the entire game on them, which is ridiculous. Others like to make excuses, and others just have to be right because we didn't lose by as many as some people thought and point the blame at everyone but their favorite player. This game isn't anyone's fault other than Wayne Seldon's. Heaven forbid we get beat in a great game and a team/guy has a better night than us on their home court.

[Katmendo]

This is quite possibly the dumbest analogy/comparison/whatever you want to call it I have ever read when it comes to basketball.

Your failure is in the interpreting the analogy as one of the sport in it's application. The analogy is in representation of the mathematics.

It was a very direct, yet polite, dismissal of arguments that might tend to disqualify opinions that officiating DID indeed have an effect on the outcome of the game. As the officiating did indeed affect the mathematics of the game.

[J.Jennings]

Your failure is in the interpreting the analogy as one of the sport in it's application. The analogy is in representation of the mathematics.

It was a very direct, yet polite, dismissal of arguments that might tend to disqualify opinions that officiating DID indeed have an effect on the outcome of the game. As the officiating did indeed affect the mathematics of the game.

Of course it did and if anyone couldn't see that, need to get some eyes checked. Kansas went to the line 47 freaking times

Still, that's not what beat Kentucky. Kentucky beat itself by going that long stretch in the second half with empty trip after trip on the offensive end period....

I like Ulis and he played a great game but in the end, dude turned it over and cost us a chance at the end of regulation, no excuse..

[J.Jennings]

I don't see how anyone can but that upset over losing in overtime to Kansas at Kansas. We can play with anyone, that's what matters at tourney time. We played very well. There are good losses and bad losses, That one wont hurt us. If anything an overtime loss at Kansas will be viewed as a valiant effort.

Im more pissed because we gave that game away to Kansas, plain and simple............

[teamchemistry15]

Your failure is in the interpreting the analogy as one of the sport in it's application. The analogy is in representation of the mathematics.

It was a very direct, yet polite, dismissal of arguments that might tend to disqualify opinions that officiating DID indeed have an effect on the outcome of the game. As the officiating did indeed affect the mathematics of the game.

Of course officiating had an impact on the outcome of the game. They have an impact on every game because without them it would be whoever has the dirtiest players wins. No one has said they didn't have an effect, just that they weren't calling an unfair game. The officials effected the game because we fouled them a lot more than they fouled us. No analogies needed.

[J.Jennings]

See post 221 where you said yourself Ulis is our best ball handler and one of the top point guards in the country. He knows how to play ball and was expecting that super talented NBA prospect Murray to be smart enough to slightly move without the ball in his hands. Murray is our best shooter. Why not have someone, who has been getting to the lane all game, drive and kick? The play was there, Cal called it correctly, Murray just didn't execute.

May be the best ball handler in the country but he's not the guy you want taking the last shot unless it's getting kicked to him. You isolate Murray, spread the floor, and let him do what he does period...

[J.Jennings]

of course officiating had an impact on the outcome of the game. They have an impact on every game because without them it would be whoever has the dirtiest players wins. No one has said they didn't have an effect, just that they weren't calling an unfair game. The officials effected the game because we fouled them a lot more than they fouled us. No analogies needed.

really?????????

[teamchemistry15]

Of course it did and if anyone couldn't see that, need to get some eyes checked. Kansas went to the line 47 freaking times

Still, that's not what beat Kentucky. Kentucky beat itself by going that long stretch in the second half with empty trip after trip on the offensive end period....

I like Ulis and he played a great game but in the end, dude turned it over and cost us a chance at the end of regulation, no excuse..

I will never understand why people look at one play at the end of a game when there were over one hundred previous possessions that could have changed theverything game as well. If Murray doesn't leave Sheldon open for a 3, if Alex grabs that rebound, if Willis doesn't foul them while they're in the bonus, if Seal hit that jumper. Every single play throughout the entire game had an impact just like the last few possessions. If Willis would have hit that jumper we would've been up and instead of being tied we would've been getting fouled and going to the free throw line. Is it his fault too? Or did nothing else matter in the game that got us to the point of being tied at the end of regulation?

[Westtncat]

Im more pissed because we gave that game away to Kansas, plain and simple............

How did we give it away? We got beat, we went on a long drought which killed us. There are so many ways to look at this game. You cant look at one play at the end and say that's why. I don't know you are doing that but I disagree we gave away the game. We were tied at the end of regulation and went into overtime short handed.

[teamchemistry15]

May be the best ball handler in the country but he's not the guy you want taking the last shot unless it's getting kicked to him. You isolate Murray, spread the floor, and let him do what he does period...

He wasn't supposed to take the shot. He was wanting to pass it to Murray.

[teamchemistry15]

How did we give it away? We got beat, we went on a long drought which killed us. There are so many ways to look at this game. You cant look at one play at the end and say that's why. I don't know you are doing that but I disagree we gave away the game. We were tied at the end of regulation and went into overtime short handed.

Stop trying to make sense.