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  • DA#23
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    • Oct 2014
    • 7342

    #1336
    Originally posted by Downes Van Zandt

    Problem is, we’ve reached a point where Cal can’t make sensible decisions re: Reeves. We’d all love to hear that Cal told Reeves to walk if he doesn’t want to be here, but his roster mismanagement means he needs Reeves, to the point he has to let the player be as dramatic as he wants to be.

    It’s pretty disgusting.
    Disgusting is right, but I'd be judicious in bringing him back if he contributed at all to the drama off of the court that plagued last year. I have zero clue if that's the case or if he simply wants out of the dumpster fire that is UK Bball, but I can't imagine that his actions after the season would bode well. How could a guy like that come back without some serious trepidation and find his role on the team?

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    • DA#23
      Administrator
      • Oct 2014
      • 7342

      #1337
      Originally posted by matt colvin
      I'd be judicious in bringing him back
      Wait a minute, this post sounds like I presume Cal could act in such a way.....

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      • justford
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 4669

        #1338
        What Cal has allowed to happen ( Sharpe and Reeves) for example is sending a message that we are desperate and you can call the shots at UK. Cal has lost control regardless what he has stated previously about never being held hostage again. It is naive to believe that players care about what university they are playing for. They are playing for the coach or a big NIL deal. Sorry for the rant but just my opinion.

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        • Joneslab
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 39604

          #1339
          Originally posted by justford
          What Cal has allowed to happen ( Sharpe and Reeves) for example is sending a message that we are desperate and you can call the shots at UK. Cal has lost control regardless what he has stated previously about never being held hostage again. It is naive to believe that players care about what university they are playing for. They are playing for the coach or a big NIL deal. Sorry for the rant but just my opinion.
          I don't think it's a major deal that the players are calling the shots. I mean NIL sort of sets up that dynamic anyway. And Cal has always said it's a "players' program," etc. I think that was always just a recruiting ploy.

          That the players have bargaining power isn't a bad thing because they're the ones that drive the economic bus in this (and all) sport. I think what's happened to the program on a micro level is far more concerning, i.e. the day to day stuff that appears to be just awful to be a part of at this point.

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          • DA#23
            Administrator
            • Oct 2014
            • 7342

            #1340
            UK certainly has to be viewed as an easy target at this point. Don't forget about Hamidou almost pulling a Shaedon on us.

            The next coach will have to continue to recruit at a high level, but it's going to take a system offensively that helps attract the kind of players you need to win big here. Player development and NIL will help cut down on the excessive turnover we've had and hopefully will get us back to where we can actually build some teams.

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            • Joneslab
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 39604

              #1341
              He was able to attract the right kinds of players with this recruiting class. Whether they turn out to be actually good or not, who knows. But when you go in and rake the top 10 like he did then IMO you're accomplishing a major part of what wins in this sport.

              The other stuff you have to do, particularly enticing players to stay and creating some semblance of a veteran presence, he not only failed at, but failed so unbelievably that it's got to be historic.

              I have to think that goes beyond his offensive system and into more basic things like simple relationships with players.

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              • George
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 10355

                #1342
                Originally posted by Will Lavender
                He was able to attract the right kinds of players with this recruiting class. Whether they turn out to be actually good or not, who knows. But when you go in and rake the top 10 like he did then IMO you're accomplishing a major part of what wins in this sport.
                We’ve talked a lot about how similar things are right now to the end of the Tubby era, and I just remembered something else: Tubby landed the top class shortly before things fell apart.

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                • DA#23
                  Administrator
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 7342

                  #1343
                  Originally posted by Downes Van Zandt

                  We’ve talked a lot about how similar things are right now to the end of the Tubby era, and I just remembered something else: Tubby landed the top class shortly before things fell apart.
                  He sorta bookended that 2004 class with two empty classes, leading to 2006 and 2007.

                  What's interesting is that's Cal's one season away from matching Tubby's FF draught, which is a major part of what led to him leaving before he could be fired.

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                  • Joneslab
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 39604

                    #1344
                    Originally posted by Downes Van Zandt

                    We’ve talked a lot about how similar things are right now to the end of the Tubby era, and I just remembered something else: Tubby landed the top class shortly before things fell apart.
                    That class had one really solid year in 2004-2005, but of course you still had vets in there with Azubuike and Hayes.

                    The next season things got a little funky and then after that they progressively got worse.

                    I'm not sure that class had much to do with how that whole thing ended. In fact Joe Crawford and Ramel Bradley were part of that class and by the time Tubby left they were basically the only thing the program could be proud of. Because after that class Tubby started landing guys like Morakinyo Williams.

                    I do think there's a really good chance Cal strikes out on next year's recruiting class though, in part because of the mess that's happened this spring. You have to think people will be talking and the mere suggestion of dysfunction that's going on here will scare people off. In that way maybe there are some similarities to what happened with Tubby at the end, where it became clear to everybody he was just sleepwalking through.

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                    • DA#23
                      Administrator
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 7342

                      #1345
                      Originally posted by Will Lavender
                      I have to think that goes beyond his offensive system and into more basic things like simple relationships with players.
                      Yep. We all know Antigua and Coleman are here for recruiting firepower, but can they not also help bridge the gap between HC and players? What are they actually doing aside from recruiting? What does Bruiser Flint do besides chew gum voraciously ?

                      Again, like Tubby, allowing the staff to fall from premium to disarray is huge error rooted in ego. You have to address your weaknesses as a coach.

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                      • George
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 10355

                        #1346
                        That’s sorta my point. I think this year’s class is highly likely to be a hollow accomplishment to close out Cal’s time at Kentucky.

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                        • DA#23
                          Administrator
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 7342

                          #1347
                          How long before someone puts a "For Sale" sign in front of his fence?

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                          • George
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 10355

                            #1348
                            Originally posted by matt colvin
                            How long before someone puts a "For Sale" sign in front of his fence?
                            Didn’t that already happen?

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                            • justford
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 4669

                              #1349
                              Originally posted by Will Lavender

                              I don't think it's a major deal that the players are calling the shots. I mean NIL sort of sets up that dynamic anyway. And Cal has always said it's a "players' program," etc. I think that was always just a recruiting ploy.

                              That the players have bargaining power isn't a bad thing because they're the ones that drive the economic bus in this (and all) sport. I think what's happened to the program on a micro level is far more concerning, i.e. the day to day stuff that appears to be just awful to be a part of at this point.
                              So are you ok with the players calling the shots? To me it is the tail wagging the dog. Maybe this is the future of college sports.

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                              • Joneslab
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2014
                                • 39604

                                #1350
                                Originally posted by justford

                                So are you ok with the players calling the shots? To me it is the tail wagging the dog.
                                We used to have a situation where players couldn't work summer jobs and yet you could walk into Rupp and see guys selling t-shirts out in the parking lot with the players' faces on them. I don't care what anybody says, that's a jacked up system.

                                The problem is that the unregulated morass of NIL has created a situation of almost outrageous bargaining and bidding. That'll have to be reigned in. And yet...wasn't that the exact same situation that happened in secret for years in college basketball? I mean years and years, going back to what everybody refers to as the "good old days."

                                We all loved Joe B. later in life. Is there any doubt in anybody's mind that Joe B. Hall paid for players? Do we think the players weren't "calling the shots" back in the 1970s? Of course they were.

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