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  • KCKUKFan
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2014
    • 14228

    #61
    As much as I love our fanbase, I hate our fanbase.

    Look, Higgins is a crappy ref and he performed his job poorly on Sunday, but some of the things I've been hearing about our fanbase's behavior since is downright embarrassing at best and criminal at worst.

    Shame. Makes us all look like the mouth-breathing, hilljack morons that we're labeled as by others.

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    • Catatonic
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2016
      • 2913

      #62
      If anything the morons in our fanbase give refs a reason to be biased against UK.

      I've heard U of L fans say Cal "pays off the refs" in the annual rivalry game. Same faulty logic, different group of idiot fans.

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      • boomdaddy
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 675

        #63
        One sided calls are not a sign of incompetence. They are a sign of bias. I don't believe the bias can be anything but monetary. No, I don't condone death threats. I do think he should be investigated and his finances scrutinized. If we were to suspect that he were just incompetent, then both teams would have relatively the same amount of horrible calls against them. That was not the case.

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        • Jload
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2015
          • 2056

          #64
          In the general -population about 1 in 20 is a complete idiot. Since U.K. has the largest fan base in college ball it hardly surprises me we seem to have more jerks than others ,simple math. As a rule we have the best fans in sports and I refuse to let the actions of a few idiots cause me to criticize our fan base. The actions of a few loons are deplorable but considering the society we live in today, hardly surprising.

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          • Matt Dillon
            Administrator
            • Oct 2014
            • 49609

            #65
            Originally posted by boomdaddy
            One sided calls are not a sign of incompetence. They are a sign of bias. I don't believe the bias can be anything but monetary.
            Bias can also be the result of prejudice.

            Philippians 4:11-4:13

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            • Catatonic
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2016
              • 2913

              #66
              Bias can also be the result of perception.

              It's a good scenario for Occam's razor. What's more likely: That a referee is intentionally calling a game poorly at great personal risk to himself and his family, or that certain fans have a biased perception where they only remember the calls that hurt their team?

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              • BJD
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2016
                • 454

                #67
                Originally posted by Catatonic
                Bias can also be the result of perception.

                It's a good scenario for Occam's razor. What's more likely: That a referee is intentionally calling a game poorly at great personal risk to himself and his family, or that certain fans have a biased perception where they only remember the calls that hurt their team?
                In this case there is no question. Higgins intentionally sabotaged UK.

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                • Spiritof96
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 13503

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Catatonic
                  Bias can also be the result of perception.

                  It's a good scenario for Occam's razor. What's more likely: That a referee is intentionally calling a game poorly at great personal risk to himself and his family, or that certain fans have a biased perception where they only remember the calls that hurt their team?
                  Is it really an issue of perception?

                  UK's winning percentage in games Higgins calls is like 37%. We have numerous examples of recent BIG game blown calls at key moments involving UK and Higgins.

                  So what is more likely, Higgins's blown calls disproportionately affecting UK in critical game moments by chance or on purpose?
                  Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
                  ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
                  Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
                  No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
                  RIP: Charlie Munger​

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                  • Catatonic
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2016
                    • 2913

                    #69
                    Originally posted by BJD

                    In this case there is no question. Higgins intentionally sabotaged UK.
                    And yet we do such a great job of this ourselves.

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                    • Catatonic
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 2913

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Spiritof96

                      Is it really an issue of perception?

                      UK's winning percentage in games Higgins calls is like 37%. We have numerous examples of recent BIG game blown calls at key moments involving UK and Higgins.

                      So what is more likely, Higgins's blown calls disproportionately affecting UK in critical game moments by chance or on purpose?
                      One could just as easily argue that Kentucky struggles disproportionately when dealing with poor officiating. How a team reacts to poor officiating (i.e. - getting technicals) is their own choice. As in life, you control the things you can control.

                      Google John Higgins and you will see plenty of examples of all different fanbases complaining about his officiating. They're all equally convinced he's out to get them, and they're all just as wrong. It's tribalism and it's stupid.

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                      • Spiritof96
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 13503

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Catatonic

                        One could just as easily argue that Kentucky struggles disproportionately when dealing with poor officiating. How a team reacts to poor officiating (i.e. - getting technicals) is their own choice. As in life, you control the things you can control.

                        Google John Higgins and you will see plenty of examples of all different fanbases complaining about his officiating. They're all equally convinced he's out to get them, and they're all just as wrong. It's tribalism and it's stupid.
                        North Carolina, Wisconsin, and UConn fan bases don't feel that way...

                        Given what you have said is true that simply means he has a rooting interest in the outcome of games he officiates.
                        Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
                        ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
                        Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
                        No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
                        RIP: Charlie Munger​

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                        • Catatonic
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2016
                          • 2913

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Spiritof96

                          North Carolina, Wisconsin, and UConn fan bases don't feel that way...

                          Given what you have said is true that simply means he has a rooting interest in the outcome of games he officiates.
                          Sure. Every fanbase on the internet whining about lopsided officiating is correct. Totally.

                          And I suppose having a tight competitive game with the outcome very much in doubt until the last second was just part of this criminal mastermind's plan all along.
                          Last edited by Catatonic; 03-30-2017, 01:03 PM.

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                          • BJD
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2016
                            • 454

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Catatonic

                            And yet we do such a great job of this ourselves.
                            Yes, I believe tubby sabotaged UK too. I have the same disdain for him as Higgins.

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                            • 40bill
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2014
                              • 8451

                              #74
                              I'm sorry, I can't buy into this guy intentionally grinding an axe with UK.
                              jmo....We played bad enough to lose, and we played well enough to have a chance to win. We just didn't.
                              It actually is much more disturbing to read about 'kentucky fans' making harassing statements and threats of bodily harm over a BASKETBALL GAME. If the coaches and the University believe that there has been illegal or unethical behavior, they are the ones to speak out.
                              I know many have said that the word fan comes from fanatic....But this reaction that is being reported is unreal.

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                              • surveyor
                                Administrator
                                • Oct 2014
                                • 14474

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Matt Dillon
                                I'm not talking about Higgins, or anyone else specifically, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that some officials bet on games they're working.
                                This has been a thing for a long time, but with players as much as refs. Google Michael Franzese. He was a member of the Colombo family and the mob was fixing games in the 70s (if not earlier) and the 80s.
                                There was an excellent interview with him in Cigar Aficianado several years ago.

                                Bob Knight for years contended that some officials were on the take.
                                Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

                                Clint Eastwood

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