ESPN to Air 1966 Title Game Between Kentucky and Texas Western in its Entirety

[BobS]

No thank you.

[Catgrad7072]

Interesting column from Billy Reed.

http://www.wave3.com/story/31593228/billy-reed-uk-texas-western-anniversary-perpetuates-misleading-rupp-narrative

[Joneslab]

Interesting column from Billy Reed.
http://www.wave3.com/story/31593228/...rupp-narrative

That is interesting. Thanks for posting.

Rupp was a cosmopolitan figure, ironically. Supposedly brilliant. Loved Shakespeare. Frequently read poetry.

But he was probably also a man of his time. We say "racist" when we're shooting that word through the prism of today. What Rupp was was probably normal for his day.

[KevinHall]

I didn't think Billy Reed had it in him to write another good column. But he certainly did in that one. I felt the same way about Rupp, He was a man of his times. By some of those facts Reed lays out there he was no typical racists of that time. In fact he would probably be labled very liberal for that time for just recruiting blacks not to even mention having them on his team. It was really almost impossible for him to recruit blacks to play at UK during that time. The blacks knew they were in great danger by going into the deep south to play. If you read your history you will know that lynchings were common during those times for blacks who "were out of line". Unfortunately you can't reason with people who have an agenda to meet and most of these people like Kirkpatrick and now others have to keep to that agenda even when the facts prove them wrong.

[J.Jennings]

I didn't think Billy Reed had it in him to write another good column. But he certainly did in that one. I felt the same way about Rupp, He was a man of his times. By some of those facts Reed lays out there he was no typical racists of that time. In fact he would probably be labled very liberal for that time for just recruiting blacks not to even mention having them on his team. It was really almost impossible for him to recruit blacks to play at UK during that time. The blacks knew they were in great danger by going into the deep south to play. If you read your history you will know that lynchings were common during those times for blacks who "were out of line". Unfortunately you can't reason with people who have an agenda to meet and most of these people like Kirkpatrick and now others have to keep to that agenda even when the facts prove them wrong.

Truth is, only 2% of whites even owned slaves when slavery was at it's peak and many whites came to the United States as slaves themselves. What about the Indians? innocent, living in peace,villages burned, women raped, daughters stolen, sons killed, and the story goes on and on.

It's very possible Rupp was a racist, i have no idea. I still irks me that Kentucky and Rupp is still used as a poster child in reference to being some kind of racist school back then. I guarantee if Rupp had never won anything worth mentioning, this kind of stuff would have never been mentioned.

[Joneslab]

Truth is, only 2% of whites even owned slaves when slavery was at it's peak and many whites came to the United States as slaves themselves.

Only 2%, and yet we fought a war over it, more than a million people died, and it nearly ripped the United States in two.

But the racism people talk about with Rupp is a different sort. The things I've heard him say aren't that much different than stuff I've heard people in eastern Kentucky say. (Assuming that it's true. Like everything else, some probably is but most isn't.)

I have no problem with that. Like I said: a man of his time. I agree with Reed that the 1966 game wasn't that noteworthy at the time because there had been teams with black players on them, but I'd personally like to see profiles of those teams. We shouldn't be scared of that sort of thing. Those men at those games were our grandfathers, our great-grandfathers. I love my grandfather, but my grandfather hates Japanese people. He fought in World War II. He's a man of his time. The world changes.

You mention Indians. I've been to the Heard Museum in Phoenix. That place doesn't shed white folks in that great a light. But still, it's necessary history. We can learn from it.

[J.Jennings]

Only 2%, and yet we fought a war over it, more than a million people died, and it nearly ripped the United States in two.

But the racism people talk about with Rupp is a different sort. The things I've heard him say aren't that much different than stuff I've heard people in eastern Kentucky say. (Assuming that it's true. Like everything else, some probably is but most isn't.)

I have no problem with that. Like I said: a man of his time. I agree with Reed that the 1966 game wasn't that noteworthy at the time because there had been teams with black players on them, but I'd personally like to see profiles of those teams. We shouldn't be scared of that sort of thing. Those men at those games were our grandfathers, our great-grandfathers. I love my grandfather, but my grandfather hates Japanese people. He fought in World War II. He's a man of his time. The world changes.

You mention Indians. I've been to the Heard Museum in Phoenix. That place doesn't shed white folks in that great a light. But still, it's necessary history. We can learn from it.

It really ticks me off that Rupp is always portrayed as a racist and if your a UK fan, your a racist too. Truth is, there is still alot of UK fans who love Kentucky basketball and will root for a African American player on the team but in reality, are very racist.

I still don't get the public perception that Rupp and all his fans are racist people in general. Maybe this comes from the fact that most Louisville fans around here use thie as a excuse or form of retalliation? As i have said many times before, what about Peck Hickman the Louisville coach way back in the day??

As for Indians, of course i have a lot of Indian in my bloodline from my grandmothers side of the family. Should i live my life and blame the white man for everything that goes wrong in my life?

Regardless, i think Rupp was no different than anyone else back then a simply a man of his time. I have never saw a documentary thanking the all the northern white men who died fighting to end slavery in the south, have you??

Bottomline, in all races you have a select few of extremist who will always stir the pot and keep on fighting the fight for whatever reason. Unfortunately racism still exists and im not sure it will ever end. If anyone really wants to experience racism to the max, go to a 3rd world country where "do as i say and do" or end up 6 feet deep. Of coz we have problems here in America but it's a cakewalk compared to other regimes across the world........

[Lighthouse]

I remember how shocked everyone was that we lost the game.

This describes me when it happened. And as most fans felt then, the most important issue that caused the loss was Larry Conley was sick, and had been for a day or so before the game. I don't want to ruin the game for those who haven't seen it, but watch when Kron has the ball stolen. It gave TW comfidence.

[KevinHall]

The version of this game that ESPN is showing is coaches tape of the game with the audio dubbed in. I know at one time there was a version of this game out there with Claude Sullivan's call of the game dubbed in. I hope this is what ESPN is using. In case you don't know Claude Sullivan was UK's announcer back then. UK had him and Cawood doing games for a few years. UK couldn't pick between the two so they had both to call their games in separate broadcasts. You would never see that today.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/29/sp...=tw-share&_r=0

[Matt Dillon]

The version of this game that ESPN is showing is coaches tape of the game with the audio dubbed in. I know at one time there was a version of this game out there with Claude Sullivan's call of the game dubbed in. I hope this is what ESPN is using. In case you don't know Claude Sullivan was UK's announcer back then. UK had him and Cawood doing games for a few years. UK couldn't pick between the two so they had both to call their games in separate broadcasts. You would never see that today.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/29/sp...=tw-share&_r=0

Also, and I'm probably wrong about this, but didn't Claude do FB only at one time and Cawood bb only?

[Joneslab]

I did a resolution once for the guy who worked at the Lexington radio station where Claude Sullivan broadcast the games.

Sullivan didn't go to away games, so this guy figured out a way to pipe in crowd noise as if Sullivan were actually there. He was kind of an engineering genius and he had the thing down to a science: the band, the cheers, the floor squeaks, etc.

That whole concept is crazy to think about these days, where they send television guys all over the world to broadcast exhibition games, practices, high school games...The modest beginnings of getting sports out to people is kind of a fascinating topic in and of itself.

[KevinHall]

I did a resolution once for the guy who worked at the Lexington radio station where Claude Sullivan broadcast the games.

Sullivan didn't go to away games, so this guy figured out a way to pipe in crowd noise as if Sullivan were actually there. He was kind of an engineering genius and he had the thing down to a science: the band, the cheers, the floor squeaks, etc.

That whole concept is crazy to think about these days, where they send television guys all over the world to broadcast exhibition games, practices, high school games...The modest beginnings of getting sports out to people is kind of a fascinating topic in and of itself.

He was recreating games. Baseball did this a lot many many years ago. Ronald Reagan did this a couple of years for either a minor league team or a MLB team. I have a book on my Kindle about Sullivan but I haven't read it yet. He left UK to be the PBP announcer for the Reds around 1966. He died a short time later because of cancer.

[KevinHall]

Also, and I'm probably wrong about this, but didn't Claude do FB only at one time and Cawood bb only?

Seems like I have heard that but don't know for sure either. By the time I got into sports Sullivan had already left UK and eventually had passed away.

[Matt Dillon]

IIRC, Claude died from throat cancer. If so, I wonder if his chosen profession may have contributed to it?

[Joneslab]

IIRC, Claude died from throat cancer. If so, I wonder if his chosen profession may have contributed to it?

Marty Brennaman has struggled with throat issues.

And speaking of Marty: didn't he do UK basketball for a year? Seems that I've heard there was a falling-out there between somebody, maybe Hacker and Marty. I think Marty was actually on the call for Westwood One when Laettner hit his shot.