Upset With Some Fans

[Joneslab]

If you don’t remember the B!M crowd getting SEVERAL passes by media and politicians you weren’t looking very hard. I am still trying to understand what 200-300 goobers ransacking the capital over an election has to do with knelling during the national anthem.

I think the connection is that many people—black and white—watched that and thought about the situation if the rioters would’ve been black.

Or Muslim. Last year at the State Capitol in Kentucky they had a day honoring Muslims in Kentucky. The patriots showed up and relentlessly heckled them, making many leave.

Those same patriots have made it so that I have to watch the news to see if it’s safe for me to go to work now. The rumor the other day was that the Capitol might be closed because bomb threats, etc. had been called in.

[Dwight Schrute]

Will. So who are you talking about when you say "I didn't see patriots"? There must have been more than 100K protesters in that DC gathering. Maybe 200-300 screw-heads chose to scale the Capital walls. I consider myself a patriot and I support most all of the protesters........except those who broke the law. Just like the nut-heads who rioted, looted and destroyed property in numerous cities this past summer. Lock up the law-breakers, but protect the right to peaceably protest

There were way more than 300 at the Capitol. The president incited an insurrection - there were cops in that crowd. There are images of Capitol police taking selfies with the protesters. Those weren't 'screw heads' - they were sent there directly by the highest ranking person in the Federal Government. Unless you consider him a screw head, which I do.

If you can't see the double standard in that then I dunno what to tell you.

[George]

There were way more than 300 at the Capitol. The president incited an insurrection - there were cops in that crowd. There are images of Capitol police taking selfies with the protesters. Those weren't 'screw heads' - they were sent there directly by the highest ranking person in the Federal Government.

Conversely, the law enforcement presence at the Capitol looked like this during BLM protests:

[Jload]

I think the connection is that many people—black and white—watched that and thought about the situation if the rioters would’ve been black.

Or Muslim. Last year at the State Capitol in Kentucky they had a day honoring Muslims in Kentucky. The patriots showed up and relentlessly heckled them, making many leave.

Those same patriots have made it so that I have to watch the news to see if it’s safe for me to go to work now. The rumor the other day was that the Capitol might be closed because bomb threats, etc. had been called in.

Therather small group of people doing this are hardly what I would call “ Patriots” although the tactic you are employing is very effective in tarring an entire group of people with which you disagree with with the same brush in attempt to marginalize them. I also propose that if you lived in Portland or Seattle or parts of urban Wisconsin you would be watching the news to see what BLM and Antifa members where up to before you found it safe to go to work, and these folks have been up to this nonsense for Months. The willful blindness to what’s happening in the country is astounding. And once again explain to me how 2or 3 hundred people ransacking the Capital because of discontent over an election relates to the basketball team at the University of Kentucky taking a knee during the National Anthem

[George]

And once again explain to me how 2or 3 hundred people ransacking the Capital because of discontent over an election relates to the basketball team at the University of Kentucky taking a knee during the National Anthem

The picture above is a good place to start.

[lilproUK98]

While this is good conversation, which couldn't be said for most discussions on these issues in this country, especially by its "leadership", no one's mind is going to be changed.

Hopefully people can just understand each other better, ultimately. Because everyone's feelings and opinions do matter, however illegitimate anyone thinks they are.

[Spiritof96]

White privilege was one of the reasons the players knelt. We know that because a couple said so afterward, they just didn’t use that specific term.

The idea of throngs of black people “scaling the Capital walls,” as the poster politely put it? That would have ended only one way, and it wouldn’t have been good.

That said, we all know that “privilege” doesn’t extend to *all* whites. Those of us who grew up in eastern Kentucky know there’s a point where privilege ends.

I grew up in a 100% white town. I personally had a lot of privilege because my dad was an attorney. Some of my friends though grew up with nothing. Those folks probably have a lot in common with the way many UK players grew up.

All concerned have tremendous privileged to live and grow up in the relative prosperity, safety, and equity of the US in the later third of the twentieth century and beyond.

This is less directed at you and more as a PSA to all who read this thread.

"White Privileged" is taking a group of people based on their race and ascribing blame to them for social / economic problems some real and some imagined. In the upside down that some of our fellows live in, it's good to engender racial hate so long as the hate is directed at the majority.

It is literally the behavior and thinking that led some Germans to view the Jews with disdain and we all know where that ended up.

The concept is so divisive that introduced into a fun loving message board, it can take a group of people who universally agree that all should be treated equally before the law and with universal respect based on their humanity irrespective of race and introduce incredible division of the subject of race and turn the conversation into one long back and forth whataboutism. Imagine what it can do in your workplace or neighborhood...

It is civil society cancer.

Those who believe we can ride the construct of "white privileged" to a better future are foolish. If you think I'm wrong, ask yourself why you never had a religious conversion after being anonymously harangued by the screaming preacher on the corner and ordered to repent? A few self loathing dupes might go for that, but most will go away with a new ember of hatred for the message and messenger.

[Joneslab]

Therather small group of people doing this are hardly what I would call “ Patriots” although the tactic you are employing is very effective in tarring an entire group of people with which you disagree with with the same brush in attempt to marginalize them. I also propose that if you lived in Portland or Seattle or parts of urban Wisconsin you would be watching the news to see what BLM and Antifa members where up to before you found it safe to go to work, and these folks have been up to this nonsense for Months. The willful blindness to what’s happening in the country is astounding. And once again explain to me how 2or 3 hundred people ransacking the Capital because of discontent over an election relates to the basketball team at the University of Kentucky taking a knee during the National Anthem

I can’t help but notice here there’s a lot more outrage toward the Anthem protest and literally none for the Capitol thing.

Which, you know, could have been the reason for the protest in the first place.

We can say that the protest didn’t work or the reason was mushy or whatever, and I’d agree. But look how far your post goes. This is the very problem I think they’re frustrated with.

[Joneslab]

While this is good conversation, which couldn't be said for most discussions on these issues in this country, especially by its "leadership", no one's mind is going to be changed.

Well, not necessarily.

Was talking to a guy a couple years ago about the Kaeppernick (sp?) thing and he made some very good points that made me rethink my stance.

But in the context of the Capitol riot we’re talking about, I don’t see any good points. I see guys being defensive about their political team.

[Spiritof96]

I can’t help but notice here there’s a lot more outrage toward the Anthem protest and literally none for the Capitol thing.

Which, you know, could have been the reason for the protest in the first place.

We can say that the protest didn’t work or the reason was mushy or whatever, and I’d agree. But look how far your post goes. This is the very problem I think they’re frustrated with.

Had my UK Wildcats come out in some on court display supporting that foolishness, then I would be commenting on that thread with identical skepticism.

[Joneslab]

Had my UK Wildcats come out in some on court display supporting that foolishness, then I would be commenting on that thread with identical skepticism.

Sure, many would feel the same.

But I still don’t see them as being of anything close to equal weight. One was against the law according to all the, um, arrests.

The other was protected by the very Constitution those patriots claim they’re playing dress-up to defend.

[lilproUK98]

Well, not necessarily.

Was talking to a guy a couple years ago about the Kaeppernick (sp?) thing and he made some very good points that made me rethink my stance.

But in the context of the Capitol riot we’re talking about, I don’t see any good points. I see guys being defensive about their political team.

This is my point. People see what they want to see, and feel how they feel. Very very few minds will ever be changed, especially when partisan politics steers the action and narrative.

[Westtncat]

Will. I know you have a lot of people talking to you. The point I tried to make is that if you believe white privilege exist then how does taking a knee fix it? It's not an event or occurrence it just is. It's like taking a knee because LeBron James kids have more privilege than my kids. Unless you live in an ant colony there will always be privilege somewhere. It's like blind people taking a knee because others can see.

[George]

This is my point. People see what they want to see, and feel how they feel. Very very few minds will ever be changed, especially when partisan politics steers the action and narrative.

I used to believe this, but not so much anymore. I agree that there’s always going to be a large swath of people who can’t or won’t be swayed, but I think the number of people who are open to opposing viewpoints is larger than you think.

It happens here and there in our own political forum. Spirit frustrates me in there sometimes, but I’ll admit that he has also forced me to reconsider things on occasion. I’d rather do that than live in denial, ignorance, or hypocrisy.

[Spiritof96]

Sure, many would feel the same.

But I still don’t see them as being of anything close to equal weight. One was against the law according to all the, um, arrests.

The other was protected by the very Constitution those patriots claim they’re playing dress-up to defend.

They aren't of equal weight. There is no discussion of the Washington thing because almost everyone thinks (even those who share some of the protesters views) that it was awful. We posted about it when it happened, everyone agreed and there was nothing left to say.