Upset With Some Fans

[George]

I think there are a lot of people who are good people who are in groups. They are patriots. Until we know them as you don't know me it's unfair to mention them with the KKK.

But they expose themselves by joining hate groups and affixing white supremacy insignias to their clothing. I’m not sitting here making assumptions. Some of these folks aren’t shy about their feelings.

[Joneslab]

The difference is we don’t have evidence that Westtncat has ties to white supremacy. Some of these groups do.

I saw a rightwing guy—Ben Shapiro?—talking about a year or so ago and even HE said it was a major problem.

I think it’s that problem that I, and more importantly black people such as UK players, saw when they watched what happened last week. I didn’t see patriots.

[Westtncat]

My point is that no group was mentioned and the kkk reference came up. It's like me putting UK fans in with the kkk because I saw one that was. Not fair to lump them together.

[George]

My point is that no group was mentioned and the kkk reference came up. It's like me putting UK fans in with the kkk because I saw one that was. Not fair to lump them together.

You need to read that post again. This isn’t at all how the conversation went.

[SCBlu]

The difference is we don’t have evidence that Westtncat has ties to white supremacy. Some of these groups do.

I saw a rightwing guy—Ben Shapiro?—talking about a year or so ago and even HE said it was a major problem.

I think it’s that problem that I, and more importantly black people such as UK players, saw when they watched what happened last week. I didn’t see patriots.

Will. So who are you talking about when you say "I didn't see patriots"? There must have been more than 100K protesters in that DC gathering. Maybe 200-300 screw-heads chose to scale the Capital walls. I consider myself a patriot and I support most all of the protesters........except those who broke the law. Just like the nut-heads who rioted, looted and destroyed property in numerous cities this past summer. Lock up the law-breakers, but protect the right to peaceably protest

[Joneslab]

My point is that no group was mentioned and the kkk reference came up. It's like me putting UK fans in with the kkk because I saw one that was. Not fair to lump them together.

The context was that the KKK considers itself an enemy of the government.

Point being, just because one proclaims himself a patriot it doesn’t mean he is. Sometimes it’s like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy: it’s meaningless.

We’ve all read stories about some of these guys who were arrested last week. They weren’t exactly a who’s who of efficiency and character. Many were damaged. Former drug addicts. Domestic abusers. Thieves. They weren’t in all cases fine young men.

Of course they believed they were patriots. Like all imposters, they had the biggest flags and the most camo and supersized rage. But it was all style over substance, as the police reports attest.

[Joneslab]

Wil. So who are you talking about when you say "I didn't see patriots"? There must have been more than 100K protesters in that DC gathering. Maybe 200-300 screw-heads chose to scale the Capital walls. I consider myself a patriot and I support most all of the protesters........except those who broke the law.

I know this. I think it was dog crap stupid but it was mostly peaceful. Couple of my relatives were there and turned back. They’re kooky folk but they aren’t marauders.

But I don’t remember this kind of benefit of the doubt given during the BLM stuff. I can’t speak to you personally but some of my friends flat out told me they saw no distinction between peaceful protest and the violence.

It’s funny how the turntables.

[Westtncat]

Sorry I am not understanding this context at all. I mention patriots and the kkk gets thrown in the mix. You are right just because one mentions it doesn't mean he is. That premise could apply anything. I will just in ahead and admit. I don't understand the context but that's ok. I don't understand a lot of things.

[40bill]

I think not understanding context is prevalent.

There are words and terms used today that mean vastly different things to different people. I have friends and family that find the words 'white privilege' not only laughable, but insulting. This is due to many issues: upbringing, experiences, lack of exposure in meaningful ways to people of different race.

words like 'patriot' are being redefined today.

the politics of separation are as successful today as they have been throughout history. Not just through racial lines, but economic lines as well.

[DA#23]

the politics of separation are as successful today as they have been throughout history. Not just through racial lines, but economic lines as well.

Yes sir!

[Joneslab]

I think not understanding context is prevalent.

There are words and terms used today that mean vastly different things to different people. I have friends and family that find the words 'white privilege' not only laughable, but insulting. This is due to many issues: upbringing, experiences, lack of exposure in meaningful ways to people of different race.

words like 'patriot' are being redefined today.

the politics of separation are as successful today as they have been throughout history. Not just through racial lines, but economic lines as well.

White privilege was one of the reasons the players knelt. We know that because a couple said so afterward, they just didn’t use that specific term.

The idea of throngs of black people “scaling the Capital walls,” as the poster politely put it? That would have ended only one way, and it wouldn’t have been good.

That said, we all know that “privilege” doesn’t extend to *all* whites. Those of us who grew up in eastern Kentucky know there’s a point where privilege ends.

I grew up in a 100% white town. I personally had a lot of privilege because my dad was an attorney. Some of my friends though grew up with nothing. Those folks probably have a lot in common with the way many UK players grew up.

[Joneslab]

And I still love “scaling the Capital walls,” btw.

It’s like it was just a group of good boys out for a romp on a Wednesday.

It’s like saying the idiots who burned the police station in Portland just wanted to have a nice barbecue.

[Westtncat]

If they took a knee and said white privilege was why then I go from understanding to thinking this was idiotic. Why not take a knee because taxes? Or cancer? Or any number of causes from here eternity? Most elite BB college in the country and taking a knee because of White privilege?

[Jload]

I know this. I think it was dog crap stupid but it was mostly peaceful. Couple of my relatives were there and turned back. They’re kooky folk but they aren’t marauders.

But I don’t remember this kind of benefit of the doubt given during the BLM stuff. I can’t speak to you personally but some of my friends flat out told me they saw no distinction between peaceful protest and the violence.

It’s funny how the turntables.

If you don’t remember the B!M crowd getting SEVERAL passes by media and politicians you weren’t looking very hard. I am still trying to understand what 200-300 goobers ransacking the capital over an election has to do with knelling during the national anthem.

[Joneslab]

If they took a knee and said white privilege was why then I go from understanding to thinking this was idiotic. Why not take a knee because taxes? Or cancer? Or any number of causes from here eternity? Most elite BB college in the country and taking a knee because of White privilege?

What.