Quade Green to Transfer

[85 Fly]

I hope everything works out for him, Quade just not fitting in this system. Maybe he would work better in Coach Wright or Boeheim's system...for his size he never had the "T. Ulis it factor", he is a four year player and that's fine...look how its worked out for Charles Mathews at Michigan!
I think Richards is a four year player too, but he'll probably transfer too...
And can somebody tell me really what is up with Baker? Do we really know? At this rate he might as well transfer too..

[Matt Dillon]

Somewhere, Downes Van Zandt is smiling ear-to-ear.

What happened to Downes?

[DA#23]

I hope you did that on purpose. Pure genius turn of a phrase and fitting to a "tee". If not, congrats on falling into geniusness.

Same thoughts here when I read DS's post. I might have read that post while taking one of my very few bathroom breaks this past shift. Crazy work schedule lately, so I really appreciate the information and thoughts shared hereon. Thank you WCN

Hate to see Quade leave, and I certainly wish the best for him. Seemed like a nice guy .

[Joneslab]

What happened to Downes?

I think he felt like he was posting too much and work got in the way, etc.

He e-mailed me yesterday when this news first came out. We spoke briefly and he seems to be doing well.

[Joneslab]

You are so right Cal doesn’t bring them here to have a college career and improve to be the best players they can and then go pro.

Let me just point something out about this.

What you're saying here really doesn't tell a complete story. I agree that Cal wants pros, but he thinks getting pros is the best way to win college basketball games.

And he's right. I don't care who the coach is at Kentucky, that guy has to bring in NBA players. He'll have to do at least some lip service to the NBA and he'll have to have these pro days and so on. That's completely non-negotiable. If you aren't getting pros with all the amenities UK has then you might as well not even field a team. The whole thing that has irked Kentucky fans about players talking about their NBA dreams and so on--that has to continue. That isn't a Cal thing, that's a cultural thing. We can maybe recruit the state of Kentucky better and we can definitely put more emphasis on staying in school for an entire four-year career, but the core of this program needs to be players who have an extremely high ceiling that will take them on to professional basketball.

Cal's problem is that he oversells the NBA and I think it has started to hurt him even with players who want to be one-and-done. It's almost like he went too far with it and families--many of whom really do value education; we know that because they often talk about once their son has signed somewhere--started to kind of sour on UK. Cal became way too one dimensional. The NBA thing was the only tool in the toolbox.

But if Cal left tomorrow whoever the next guy is better recruit toward the NBA and keep building UK as a brand that will entice elite players.

[Westtncat]

I have said it before. I don't like the system but I see no way to change it. Can you honestly ask Cal to recruit down? You go after the best, just like everyone else.

[Matt Dillon]

I think he felt like he was posting too much and work got in the way, etc.

He e-mailed me yesterday when this news first came out. We spoke briefly and he seems to be doing well.

Thanks, Will. I'm glad to hear it wasn't anything more than a time crunch.

[boomdaddy]

Green is not a good enough player at his height, to be on the team as a player that gets lots of minutes. He is a liability on D, he makes sloppy passes at times, and is a streaky shooter. Some want to compare him to a short player from the past, but they are night and day in comparison. The only common factor is that they both played at Kentucky. Good for him that he is transferring to get playing time.

[Spiritof96]

I think Quade is not as good as Dominique Hawkins. I wish him well, he could stay and contribute is spot situations, but if he needs to start, he should move on.

[Joneslab]

Hawkins really became a solid player as a senior. Would've liked to have seen Quade as a senior.

But he's got a lot of work to do to get there. He isn't as athletic as Hawkins and doesn't have that football muscularity Dom had.

A solid year off will help him. Needs to "live in the weight room" as the cliché goes.

[Spiritof96]

Hawkins really became a solid player as a senior. Would've liked to have seen Quade as a senior.

But he's got a lot of work to do to get there. He isn't as athletic as Hawkins and doesn't have that football muscularity Dom had.

A solid year off will help him. Needs to "live in the weight room" as the cliché goes.

I am suspicious of UKMBB's strength and conditioning program. Our guys often get thinner, but I don't see them getting jacked.

[Joneslab]

I am suspicious of UKMBB's strength and conditioning program. Our guys often get thinner, but I don't see them getting jacked.

Do you want to get jacked as a basketball player? Seems like lean muscularity and litheness are "in" these days.

Obviously you need to be strong but length and agility can't be understated. I've sat in a ton of gyms just over the last two weeks watching my son play; long-armed skinny guys dominate basketball games.

With Quade I think they saw his footspeed as a major problem and tried to get him to cut weight to help him. Maybe helped a little but not much. He just doesn't have the juice.

[surveyor]

I've sat in a ton of gyms just over the last two weeks watching my son play; long-armed skinny guys dominate basketball games.

Well, that's because they're adolescents.

[Spiritof96]

Do you want to get jacked as a basketball player? Seems like lean muscularity and litheness are "in" these days.

Obviously, you need to be strong but length and agility can't be understated. I've sat in a ton of gyms just over the last two weeks watching my son play; long-armed skinny guys dominate basketball games.

With Quade, I think they saw his footspeed as a major problem and tried to get him to cut weight to help him. Maybe helped a little but not much. He just doesn't have the juice.

I think NBA guys on average are A LOT stronger than college guys generally and our college guys specifically in a way that reflects different priorities in the weight room. (it's not just age) Anthony Davis has discussed this differing priority in interviews about the transition to the NBA. For freshmen, you get what you get, but taking PJ Washington as an example, I don't like what I have seen in his body change year two. It reminds me of the time LeBron lost a bunch of weight in the offseason along with MAJOR strength and explosiveness for half a season. He sucked until he took a two-week vacation that coincided with his body returning to LeBron normal by season's end and he was fine.

The Twins, Willis, Lee, Dakari, etc all got better, thinner in some cases, but they all needed to get stronger. (or improve more in that area than they did)

In my own athletic career, our strength and conditioning was biased toward endurance and volume. (cause we shouldn't get too muscular) Toward the end of my career with a new S&C coach, the priority shifted to strength and power. We got it and our endurance improved.

I would bet significant money that despite drastically different strength and conditioning goals and methodology, a basketball team made from our Football team's DBs, Wideouts, and an LB or TE could run with our basketball team for 40 minutes with normal sub patterns and fatigue wouldn't be an issue for them at the end of the game. (and I KNOW who would be stronger and more explosive)

[Joneslab]

Well, that's because they're adolescents.

True but you notice the same phenomenon in college. I remember people talking about how Anthony Davis was going to struggle because he was too skinny. Or how Kevin Durant was going to be a bust because he couldn't bench press. And so on.

Just seems like as the game has stretched out and become more spread to the edges (mimicking the international game), long and skinny guys can really dominate.