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  • Blue Heaven
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 6283

    #61
    It was over for me when, while at UK, someone asked Tubby what his recruiting style was. He said "I don't have to sell Kentucky. The name Kentucky sells itself." My love affair with him died after that. Brandan Wright. Tyler Hansbrough. Chris Lofton. The three biggest whiffs in his tenure. He did develop some good ones though in Bogans, Prince, Daniels, Rondo, and Fitch. When we started getting the Shagari's,Woo's, and Sheray's of the world his days were numbered. It was a shame to. He was a great x and o coach and those early 2000 teams were a ton of fun to watch.
    Isaiah 5:20

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    • Joneslab
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 39604

      #62
      I always heard that Kevin Durant was Kentucky's to lose but Tubby didn't put in the necessary time with him.

      I was at a clinic once and heard Tubby say that when they went into a living room, they asked the player what he wanted to do outside basketball. If the player said he just wanted to pursue basketball, they quit recruiting him. That's almost a direct quote.

      Compare that with Cal who wants them to be sort of basketball savants.

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      • Dwight Schrute
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 18716

        #63
        Originally posted by Blue Heaven
        It was over for me when, while at UK, someone asked Tubby what his recruiting style was. He said "I don't have to sell Kentucky. The name Kentucky sells itself." My love affair with him died after that. Brandan Wright. Tyler Hansbrough. Chris Lofton. The three biggest whiffs in his tenure. He did develop some good ones though in Bogans, Prince, Daniels, Rondo, and Fitch. When we started getting the Shagari's,Woo's, and Sheray's of the world his days were numbered. It was a shame to. He was a great x and o coach and those early 2000 teams were a ton of fun to watch.
        I don't think Chris Lofton was a whiff, I think Tubby declined to even take a shot at it. We had Brandon Stockton and Josh Carrier and a bunch of other guys who had no business being here, but not offering Chris Lofton was inexcusable.

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        • Dwight Schrute
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 18716

          #64
          Originally posted by Will Lavender
          I always heard that Kevin Durant was Kentucky's to lose but Tubby didn't put in the necessary time with him.

          I was at a clinic once and heard Tubby say that when they went into a living room, they asked the player what he wanted to do outside basketball. If the player said he just wanted to pursue basketball, they quit recruiting him. That's almost a direct quote.

          Compare that with Cal who wants them to be sort of basketball savants.
          That is a great attitude for a basketball coach at High Point University to have. It is not, however, suitable at the University of Kentucky.

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          • Spiritof96
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 13503

            #65
            Originally posted by Will Lavender
            I always heard that Kevin Durant was Kentucky's to lose but Tubby didn't put in the necessary time with him.

            I was at a clinic once and heard Tubby say that when they went into a living room, they asked the player what he wanted to do outside basketball. If the player said he just wanted to pursue basketball, they quit recruiting him. That's almost a direct quote.

            Compare that with Cal who wants them to be sort of basketball savants.
            I heard Kevin Durant come pretty close to saying this in one of his long Bill Simmons interviews. He didn't blame Tubby, but said Texas and Barnes felt like home.

            Can you imagine if we had KD!?! KEVIN FREAKING DURANT!!!
            Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
            ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
            Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
            No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
            RIP: Charlie Munger​

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            • KevinHall
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 6857

              #66
              Originally posted by Dwight Schrute

              I don't think Chris Lofton was a whiff, I think Tubby declined to even take a shot at it. We had Brandon Stockton and Josh Carrier and a bunch of other guys who had no business being here, but not offering Chris Lofton was inexcusable.
              You are right neither he nor Pitino recruited Lofton. That was just a terrible shame for the state of Kentucky to let a player of that caliber go to Tennessee. When I started seeing all of these "projects" he was taking on like Shagari and others I knew he wasn't into it. You can't have three projects on a team and expect to compete at a high level.
              Kentucky fan since 1971.

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              • boomdaddy
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 675

                #67
                Originally posted by Dwight Schrute
                I can't think of a more divisive person in my lifetime at UK than Tubby Smith. The guy has been gone for 11 years now and he's still getting this kind of reaction from people.

                Eddie Sutton and Billy Gillispie both did more damage to the program than Tubby, and neither get nearly the level of animosity that Tubby brings in.


                In my opinion, Tubby was handed the champioship, because Pitino left him with great players. Eddie Sutton would have won a championship at kentucky with his won players, had that damn package not mysteriously not ope. I still believe that was a dam set up. We all know Billy Clyde was a bum ad the AD should have been fired over hiring him......

                Tubby gets too much credit for being great. I dont agree. UK was not relevant, during th later years of the Tubby era. Kentucky is a program that is not used to being a non factor at tourney time. People have strong negative opinions regarding his legacy, because the not relevant years count just as much as the gift he received in his first year.

                Don't feel sorry for him. He was handed a championship and he has made a ton of money.
                Last edited by boomdaddy; 03-16-2018, 02:36 PM.

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                • Dwight Schrute
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 18716

                  #68
                  Originally posted by boomdaddy



                  In my opinion, Tubby was handed the champioship, because Pitino left him with great players. Eddie Sutton would have won a championship at kentucky with his won players, had that damn package not mysteriously not ope. I still believe that was a dam set up. We all know Billy Clyde was a bum ad the AD should have been fired over hiring him......

                  Tubby gets too much credit for being great. I dont agree. UK was not relevant, during th later years of the Tubby era. Kentucky is a program that is not used to being a non factor at tourney time. People have strong negative opinions regarding his legacy, because the not relevant years count just as much as the gift he received in his first year.

                  Don't feel sorry for him. He was handed a championship and he has made a ton of money.
                  But the fact is Eddie Sutton almost killed the program. Those were his actions - his stewardship directly damaged the program.

                  I don't think Tubby gets credit for being great. I do think he is unfairly maligned on the whole, though. I was ready for him to go his last year here, but that 2002-05 stretch was as much fun as I've had watching basketball as any of the Cal years. Those teams were genuinely fun to watch. He also brought on one of my favorite players of my lifetime - Tayshaun Prince.

                  On the whole, Tubby was mediocre, but let's give him some credit. Whether or not he was handed those players, he still coached that title team and won that title. That championship is his.

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                  • 40bill
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2014
                    • 8451

                    #69
                    Rick Pitino recently took credit for the 98 title run.

                    Baloney.

                    OTS was successful at Tulsa. He was successful at Georgia. He was successful at Kentucky.

                    He was coach at a time when recruiting changed amazingly from what it had been with a few early entries into the pros and kids wanting to wear Kentucky blue to the game being openly a pipeline to huge dollars.
                    I remember when a kid left after TWO years the fan base was in a frenzy.
                    Smith's style and method ran dry, and he couldn't change.

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                    • Dwight Schrute
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 18716

                      #70
                      Tubby had 10 years here - the first being outstanding, the next three being okay, the following 3 being really good, the last two being mediocre. If one of those 3 teams in the really good years (02-05) had made the final four, he'd be remembered completely differently than he is.

                      Overall, his record here was really good - it was better than Joe B Hall's, who is beloved.

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                      • 40bill
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2014
                        • 8451

                        #71
                        Yeah, but I remember Joe Hall was the most vilified man in the state until some years after he left.

                        The adoration that Pitino and to a big extent John Calipari get is night and day what JBH got.

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                        • Matt Dillon
                          Administrator
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 49618

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Jload
                          I am not sure Penny has a degree.
                          According to PJ's dad he does.
                          "For him to come back to his home city, to the university that he played at and got a degree from — you can’t say enough about that".

                          http://www.kentucky.com/sports/colle...206373169.html


                          Philippians 4:11-4:13

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                          • Dwight Schrute
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 18716

                            #73
                            No idea if he can coach at this level, but Memphis will probably have as good a players as they've had since the last couple years Cal was there.

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                            • justford
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 4669

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Matt Dillon

                              According to PJ's dad he does.
                              "For him to come back to his home city, to the university that he played at and got a degree from — you can’t say enough about that".

                              http://www.kentucky.com/sports/colle...206373169.html

                              I think he only stayed two years so maybe he came back and got it. Makes no difference to me just didn't know what the requirements were to be a head coach.

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