Draft Spillover Thread

[DA#23]

As with last year a "side track" thread might be helpful, otherwise this will be quite disorganized.

[uglyduckling]

I think I agree with Jworld. I don't think there's any way Devin Booker goes top 5 at SG in this draft, based on the rules. But because of what he did in the NBA he would go at least that high. At Kentucky, he didn't look like a top 5 SG, over the history of the program. I think the NBA needs to have some influence. If not, you are almost disregarding an entire era.

[George]

We're drafting Kentucky basketball players, not Phoenix Suns players. We draft on what they did at Kentucky; it is what it is. Now, that may include the potential shown, because as previously discussed, stats aren't everything, but we draw the line at graduation and/or their declaration for the NBA Draft.

Devin Booker never scored 70 while at Kentucky. He was a great, if streaky, shooter, who didn't play much defense. Right off the top of my head, I'd take Delk, Chapman, Dampier, Turner, Bogans, Meeks, Lamb, and probably Murray and/or Monk before I'd take Booker - and that's just at SG.

If you want to take Booker based on the potential we saw, then justify that after the draft ends, go for it. A lot of us will be doing the same as we try to grab KAT, among others.

[teamchemistry15]

I think I agree with Jworld. I don't think there's any way Devin Booker goes top 5 at SG in this draft, based on the rules. But because of what he did in the NBA he would go at least that high. At Kentucky, he didn't look like a top 5 SG, over the history of the program. I think the NBA needs to have some influence. If not, you are almost disregarding an entire era.

You aren't disregarding anything. Wall and Cousins only played here one year. But look at the impact they had. They completely turned around the program BCG left behind. Davis, MKG, Jones, and Lamb go without saying. Ulis is a no brainer. The list goes on. Players can make an impact off of the court and many have done so under Cal. If you choose to disregard the era that's your choice. There's sixty years of players before Cal arrived to choose from. There were 11 of us in the draft last year? I'm willing to bet every single one of us had at least one player that was only here a year or two. I know I did. Not all of us follow or care about the NBA. We all follow Kentucky.

[teamchemistry15]

If we take into account the NBA careers does Bowie go in the last round? What about Darius Miller? Sparks? Liggins? Hawkins? Fitch? There are dozens of players that were fantastic and record breaking players at UK that never made it in the pros.

[George]

If we take into account the NBA careers does Bowie go in the last round? What about Darius Miller? Sparks? Liggins? Hawkins? Fitch? There are dozens of players that were fantastic and record breaking players at UK that never made it in the pros.

Exactly. No one wants to look at it the other way. We start factoring in the NBA and suddenly Delk doesn't look so good as a top-five player in this draft.

[teamchemistry15]

Let's get this thing rolling. We've got myself, Blue Heaven, Downes, Spiritof96, uglyduckling, Lighthouse, Friendsofcoal, Kevin, Jworld, Will, and KCKUKfan. That's 11. Did I miss anyone?

[teamchemistry15]

Probably going to sit this one out TC15. However my vote certainly can be persuaded if the incentive is "sweet enough"........

We need you to have an even 12. Come on, sugar.

[uglyduckling]

You aren't disregarding anything. Wall and Cousins only played here one year. But look at the impact they had. They completely turned around the program BCG left behind. Davis, MKG, Jones, and Lamb go without saying. Ulis is a no brainer. The list goes on. Players can make an impact off of the court and many have done so under Cal. If you choose to disregard the era that's your choice. There's sixty years of players before Cal arrived to choose from. There were 11 of us in the draft last year? I'm willing to bet every single one of us had at least one player that was only here a year or two. I know I did. Not all of us follow or care about the NBA. We all follow Kentucky.

3 of my first 5 picks were one and doners. Towns, MKG and Murray. I picked Towns with my first pick, believe 8th overall, partly because of what he did to the NBA his rookie year. Based on Kentucky only, Towns may not be a Top 5 center. He wasn't a game changer at KY except for the Notre Dame game maybe. I'm just saying I think there needs to be some kind of influence there.

[George]

3 of my first 5 picks were one and doners. Towns, MKG and Murray. I picked Towns with my first pick, believe 8th overall, partly because of what he did to the NBA his rookie year. Based on Kentucky only, Towns may not be a Top 5 center. He wasn't a game changer at KY except for the Notre Dame game maybe. I'm just saying I think there needs to be some kind of influence there.

See above re: "eye test." Do they or don't they pass? Were we or were we not able to see the talent, skill, ability, etc., and did those things stand as arguable proof of the kind of player KAT, et al. were or could be if plucked from their freshman year and thrown into a hypothetical matchup?

[uglyduckling]

My eye test vs your eye test ain't the same thing. When I saw KAT at KY, I didn't think he was a transcendant player. I see KAT in the NBA and I think once every 10 years. Nothing he did at KY lead me to believe he would be as dominant as he is now. Willie on the otherhand looked phenomenal. How many centers have guarded 1-5 in the history of college basketball like Willie? Willie looked otherworldy from an athletic and defensive perspective. Towns was pretty good on offense and could block shots on defense. Yet, there's not a single person in this draft that watched KAT and watched Willie that is taking WCS before, based on what they did at KY

[85 Fly]

Originally posted by J.Jennings View Post

And now that i think about, not sure i can take anything serious from someone with a man wearing a romper in there profile photo.. I'll be damn, you been supporthing the romper for years

I'll have you know those are coveralls, sir. I dare you to tell your mechanic to his face that he's wearing a romper.

LMBO...I can't I CAN'T JWorld and DVZ are somethin else...

[teamchemistry15]

Originally posted by J.Jennings View Post

And now that i think about, not sure i can take anything serious from someone with a man wearing a romper in there profile photo.. I'll be damn, you been supporthing the romper for years





LMBO...I can't I CAN'T JWorld and DVZ are somethin else...

Right. Do you want in on the draft?

[George]

My eye test vs your eye test ain't the same thing. Yet, there's not a single person in this draft that watched KAT and watched Willie that is taking WCS before, based on what they did at KY

To your first point, that's the sole reason for the post-draft argument.

Second, you just supported the point a lot of us have been making the whole time.

[Dwight Schrute]

I'm in