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[KevinHall]

Some people seem to have more animosity towards Tubby than they do Eddie Sutton or Billy Gillispie, which makes zero sense to me. Both of those guys nearly destroyed the program - Tubby sure didn't.

Tubby did well with a certain type of player - 2003-2005 were as fun for me as any year with the exception of 2012. He did well with blue collar guys who would bust their arses on defense. I have no problems saying he got lazy and needed to move on at the end of his tenure here. I would have supported firing him at the end of 2007 had he not left.

Yep you are right. If not for Pitino it would have been destroyed after Sutton. If BCG had been allowed to stay one more season it most likely would have been destroyed then.

[BJD]

Literally every single post you make borders on complete idiocy. Troll harder.

Because you disagree I'm an idiot?

Love on you some tubby. I say you are the idiot in that case. And I question your UK fandom since you love on the guy that took UK down to mid major level.

As for trolling, I didn't start this. So it would seem that you are the troll.

So cry about that.

[BJD]

I don't mind differing opinions about Tubby.

But refusing to capitalize his name is weird.

And if the Myron Anthony issue and fake ID's are a problem for you, then you couldn't possibly support John Calipari. Cal once had players steal thousands of dollars of fur coats and jewelry at Memphis.

One thing I do agree with that BJD seems to be suggesting is that there was a culture here of disorderly conduct and general "there's nobody in charge" shenanigans under Tubby. I've heard that was true.

I don't think it's any surprise that the winning percentage went way up during Chuck Hayes' time here.

It wasn't a problem for me. I wasn't the one that said that there were no issues off the court. But thanks for selective reading.

[BJD]

I agree that it was time for change when it happened. And I don't disagree that his style of play is not likely to be very successful now. And of course there were things he did I didn't agree with. All coaches will have those.

But to say that he was a terrible coach,stole UK basketball from a generation or that Lorenzo Romar would have been better is total lunacy. I don't have much of an opinion one way or the other about having his jersey hung at Rupp. But it certainly wouldn't bother me in the least if it is.

I think it's lunacy that you have a different opinion than me. At least mine is grounded in facts. Where does yours come from?

[BJD]

Some people seem to have more animosity towards Tubby than they do Eddie Sutton or Billy Gillispie, which makes zero sense to me. Both of those guys nearly destroyed the program - Tubby sure didn't.

Tubby did well with a certain type of player - 2003-2005 were as fun for me as any year with the exception of 2012. He did well with blue collar guys who would bust their arses on defense. I have no problems saying he got lazy and needed to move on at the end of his tenure here. I would have supported firing him at the end of 2007 had he not left.

Big difference in those. Eddie Sutton was a great coach. he was proven before he got here and was proven after he left here. Turns out he wasn't a good fit here.

BCG was proven before he was hired here. He was a bad fit for UK but he worked 24/7 to improve UK. he brought us Patterson, Orton, Liggins, Harrelson, Miller and probably some more I'm forgetting. he changed the careers of Bradley and Crawford. He took over a team that lost the top 6 scorers from a 12 loss team and got into the NCAA tourney with an injured Patterson. We did beat Vandy that year for the first time in about 5 tries and Vandy was ranked in the top 15. We beat UT and we almost beat UT at UT with Patterson out.

I started posting in 2000 that tubby would never get to another final four in his career. Not here, not anywhere else. Here we are 17 years later and I'm still right. And I'm still saying it. he will never get to another final four in his career.

Then the Saul debacle. Does that even need explaining? Or how about his going on PTI and inferring racism?

But just I'm wrong about tubby and his coaching acumen. Let's just say the handful of posters here are right. he showed us all after leaving here. Just look at his job at Minnesota. Never had a winning record in the little 10. Never! Got fired. Let's look at the job at TT. Never had a winning conference record. Never! Let's look at the job at Memphis. Again, not a winning record in that conference. That conference!! And they just got the biggest beatdown in 70 years last Sat. Sure proved somebody wrong since he left here.

And a handful of y'all think it's me. And I'm the lunatic?

[Joneslab]

BCG was proven before he was hired here. He was a bad fit for UK but he worked 24/7 to improve UK.

This is simply false.

I liked Gillispie as well. I watched his team practice when he first got here and I was blown away.

But you can't coach here if you have demons, and he did. There's really no more that needs to be said about that subject.

[Joneslab]

And I love how Eddie Sutton was a "bad fit here."

That's like saying Jerry Tarkanian "had some unfortunate incidents occur on his watch."

[teamchemistry15]

The only thing BCG had proven is that he could beat Pitino. If A&M would've lost that game I don't think he becomes our guy. He also wasn't just a bad fit here he was a bad fit everywhere. More so than Tubby has been after he left UK.

[teamchemistry15]

Big difference in those. Eddie Sutton was a great coach. he was proven before he got here and was proven after he left here. Turns out he wasn't a good fit here.

BCG was proven before he was hired here. He was a bad fit for UK but he worked 24/7 to improve UK. he brought us Patterson, Orton, Liggins, Harrelson, Miller and probably some more I'm forgetting. he changed the careers of Bradley and Crawford. He took over a team that lost the top 6 scorers from a 12 loss team and got into the NCAA tourney with an injured Patterson. We did beat Vandy that year for the first time in about 5 tries and Vandy was ranked in the top 15. We beat UT and we almost beat UT at UT with Patterson out.

I started posting in 2000 that tubby would never get to another final four in his career. Not here, not anywhere else. Here we are 17 years later and I'm still right. And I'm still saying it. he will never get to another final four in his career.

Then the Saul debacle. Does that even need explaining? Or how about his going on PTI and inferring racism?

But just I'm wrong about tubby and his coaching acumen. Let's just say the handful of posters here are right. he showed us all after leaving here. Just look at his job at Minnesota. Never had a winning record in the little 10. Never! Got fired. Let's look at the job at TT. Never had a winning conference record. Never! Let's look at the job at Memphis. Again, not a winning record in that conference. That conference!! And they just got the biggest beatdown in 70 years last Sat. Sure proved somebody wrong since he left here.

And a handful of y'all think it's me. And I'm the lunatic?

Would you rather have Tubby's or Billy G's career after UK? You make the guy sound like a world beater. Is he your cousin?

[Joneslab]

He wasn't a bad fit at UTEP or Texas A&M.

Obviously UK is a much different deal. I've heard that he was desperately trying to get out of the UK deal in the days after he agreed to become our coach. I think he saw the pressure that it was going to bring, knew that he didn't have what it takes to pull it off, and realized that it was likely going to make the issues he had worse.

And he was right. It's so interesting to think about what our program might look like now had he turned down the offer and gone to Arkansas. I have no idea who we would have hired but I imagine it would have been Mike Brey.

[teamchemistry15]

He wasn't a bad fit at UTEP or Texas A&M.

Obviously UK is a much different deal. I've heard that he was desperately trying to get out of the UK deal in the days after he agreed to become our coach. I think he saw the pressure that it was going to bring, knew that he didn't have what it takes to pull it off, and realized that it was likely going to make the issues he had worse.

And he was right. It's so interesting to think about what our program might look like now had he turned down the offer and gone to Arkansas. I have no idea who we would have hired but I imagine it would have been Mike Brey.

I was just referring to after leaving UK. You know, since Tubby has done nothing since leaving.

[Jeff ROCKober]

Tubby Smith had a nice ride at UK but it was time for him to go. Great person but not the best ​​​​​​​fit for UK and simply did not over achieve in recruiting. I believe his style of play hurt recruiting as well as most wanted to play more up tempo. But Tubby had success at Tulsa and Georgia. To say he sucked is a little bit much.

[teamchemistry15]

Lorenzo Romar since being at Washington? Fifteen seasons, only three with less than ten losses and has not gotten past the Sweet 16 even as the number one seed. He is winning a whopping 62% of his games and 58% for his career.

[catfaninin]

I think it's lunacy that you have a different opinion than me. At least mine is grounded in facts. Where does yours come from?

Of course you do. You post your personal opinion as though it is the gospel. The fact that hardly anyone seems to share said opinion should be proof that it's not so definite.

As for facts you give next to nothing mixed with a big dose of opinion. You want facts here's some 76% winning percentage in his 10 years here. 4 Elite Eights. 1 NCAA title. 5 conference championships

Now go ahead and tell me he won with Pitino's players. The fact is he won. There are plenty of good coaches who never accomplish that. Look at the great coaches of today. Of course Coach K has his 5, but in your wild dreams he is a terrible coach as well. Self- 1, Cal - 1, Boeheim-1, Izzo-1, Wright -1. There's a pretty good group of coaches who have won exactly as many as Tubby.

I don't claim Tubby was a great coach. But he was above average. You are right about one thing though. To say he is a terrible coach is not lunacy, its just plain ignorant.

[teamchemistry15]

If there's one thing I have learned on this board it's that you never let facts get in the way of a good rant.