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  • surveyor
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    • Oct 2014
    • 14472

    #46
    Originally posted by Will Lavender

    I meant us being a 3-win team.

    I'd say Southern Miss wins 8 or 9.
    Ah. Got it.
    Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

    Clint Eastwood

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    • surveyor
      Administrator
      • Oct 2014
      • 14472

      #47
      Originally posted by Matt Dillon

      Seriously?
      Southern Miss. Yes, seriously......................................... ...........
      Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

      Clint Eastwood

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      • Jload
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2015
        • 2251

        #48
        Can anyone explain to me what Stoops has DONE that would believe he is going to turn things around. Can't run, can't stop the run, epic second half collapses, YEAR 4. Everybody saying what's the panic we lost to a better team. Do people realize what they are saying, Southern Miss, Conference USA. Stoops is not getting it done ,not gonna get it done, my father was a high school coach began taking me to games in 60s, Other thann my stint in Navy I have attended at least 1 Uk game a year since mid 70's. Not this year, very disgusted just don't have the fire or desire to watch us SUCK yet another year. Need a dynamic AD to find us a coach and finally build us a program. Barnhart and Stoops are not those guys.

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        • TrueblueCATfan
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 13673

          #49
          Originally posted by Will Lavender

          I meant us being a 3-win team.

          I'd say Southern Miss wins 8 or 9.
          I agree....Southern Miss finished wit a 9-5 record last season....their QB was conference player of the year......they are picked to win C-USA this season

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          • Old School
            Administrator
            • Oct 2014
            • 2261

            #50
            Originally posted by teamchemistry15
            This team will be fine. They can obviously score and have an elite secondary in the making. I know the run defense is going to be the Achilles heel, but they can still get to six wins. I expect Eliot to be gone by the end of the year unless he figures out how to make adjustments. But I've also thought that for now the third year. Gran, Hinshaw, and Stoops will do their part. We still have Miss St, NM St, A Peay, Missouri, Vandy, and South Carolina that are all winnable games. We are also known to play an expected loss to a close game. We might pull one shocker this year.
            Did you think the '94 team would be fine? The '13 team? '12? '03, '04, '05? '00, '01? '96?

            I like the DBs Stoops has brought in, but this may not even be a top 40 secondary nationally in terms of talent, or in the top half of SEC secondaries. It's a very good unit by UK's historical standards, but it isn't that great relative to other programs. Their abilities will be obscured by opponents' play calls this year, though, because teams are going to run the ball like crazy on this team. The run defense is far worse than an Achilles heel. The gates of Troy flung wide open is a closer analogy. If Southern Miss could run on them like that, a lot of SEC play is going to be embarrassing.

            Agree that those games are winnable, but UK's defense is bad enough that even those teams with really weak offenses this year - all of them except maybe Mississippi State, and possibly Carolina later this year depending on how they progress - are capable of beating this team. And the second half offensive collapse - if that remains part of what UK does each weekend, kiss six wins goodbye.


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            • Old School
              Administrator
              • Oct 2014
              • 2261

              #51
              Originally posted by Brasslock
              I can't recall a Kentucky team scoring 35 points in the first half.
              Kentucky hung 42 on Louisville in the first half in the first game ever played at PJCS.

              Fun memory. Gotta work some sunshine in somewhere in this thread.

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              • Old School
                Administrator
                • Oct 2014
                • 2261

                #52
                Originally posted by Spiritof96

                I'm not convinced strong is that good. With all of the assets he has at Texas in that league and he can't win?
                His win against #10 Notre Dame last weekend indicates he's unlikely to be available or interested...not that he was going to be anyway.

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                • Old School
                  Administrator
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 2261

                  #53
                  Originally posted by surveyor

                  Speaking of Brooks............ he was 3-5, 8 games into his 4th seasons. Idiot fans wanted him gone early second season.
                  Brooks' loss to Ohio U. was in his second season. Opening Year 4 with a loss to Southern Miss doesn't indicate they're likely to win 8 games like Brooks' Year 4 team did.

                  Here's hoping, but if this team opens 3-5, they'll have to beat Georgia, win at Tennessee and at Louisville, and win a bowl game to get to 8 wins.

                  This was a really bad loss for this program.

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                  • surveyor
                    Administrator
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 14472

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Old School

                    Brooks' loss to Ohio U. was in his second season. Opening Year 4 with a loss to Southern Miss doesn't indicate they're likely to win 8 games like Brooks' Year 4 team did.

                    Here's hoping, but if this team opens 3-5, they'll have to beat Georgia, win at Tennessee and at Louisville, and win a bowl game to get to 8 wins.

                    This was a really bad loss for this program.
                    I'm referencing the lack of patience, for the most part. The fans wanted Brooks gone in year two (they never really wanted him, anyway). The school stuck with him.

                    I think a level of patience is warranted for a first time HC - moreso than in Phillips' case, who was the assistant head coach for a few seasons and was groomed by Brooks, only to wreck the car after being given the keys - granted, it was a 6 year old Impala, but a decent car nonetheless.

                    Stoops has to win at least 5 and be competitive in the remaining losses, or win 6 or more and have a blow-out or two.
                    Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

                    Clint Eastwood

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                    • surveyor
                      Administrator
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 14472

                      #55
                      I'll add that anytime a new coach is hired, he should at least be retained to the end of his original contract. Barnhart made a mistake with the extension.
                      Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

                      Clint Eastwood

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                      • Old School
                        Administrator
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 2261

                        #56
                        Originally posted by surveyor

                        I'm referencing the lack of patience, for the most part. The fans wanted Brooks gone in year two (they never really wanted him, anyway). The school stuck with him.

                        I think a level of patience is warranted for a first time HC - moreso than in Phillips' case, who was the assistant head coach for a few seasons and was groomed by Brooks, only to wreck the car after being given the keys - granted, it was a 6 year old Impala, but a decent car nonetheless.

                        Stoops has to win at least 5 and be competitive in the remaining losses, or win 6 or more and have a blow-out or two.
                        All fair points. I think Stoops will be back no matter what because of the size of the buyout Barney unwisely gave him. He'll have to win six to avoid a half empty stadium next year though.

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                        • surveyor
                          Administrator
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 14472

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Old School

                          All fair points. I think Stoops will be back no matter what because of the size of the buyout Barney unwisely gave him.
                          I agree. I think Mitch was a bit too excited seeing 5-1 ( I think alot of us were, too). At the time the contract was signed, UK was 5-3, with a hard fought 3OT loss to Florida AT Florida, but a horrible loss at LSU, followed by a respectable(?) loss to Miss State. After signing, losses continued to the end of the season.

                          Hindsight being what it is, Mitch should have waited until the season was over to decide on an extension.
                          Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

                          Clint Eastwood

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                          • uglyduckling
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2015
                            • 534

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Old School

                            All fair points. I think Stoops will be back no matter what because of the size of the buyout Barney unwisely gave him. He'll have to win six to avoid a half empty stadium next year though.
                            Not to mention recruiting. We've already started to see these recruits go elsewhere due to the fact that we haven't made a bowl yet.

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                            • teamchemistry15
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 7017

                              #59
                              Originally posted by surveyor
                              I'll add that anytime a new coach is hired, he should at least be retained to the end of his original contract. Barnhart made a mistake with the extension.
                              I think this is spot on. I don't like the extensions before the contract is up. Let him work out his entire first contract and go from there because, as we've seen, that 5-1 turns to 5-7 pretty quickly.

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                              • justford
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2014
                                • 4669

                                #60
                                Playing Devil's advocate here. If he had turned the program around he would had been a highly sought after coach considering his last name and that he turned the weak Kentucky program around.
                                That being said, I am against contract extensions based on short term results.
                                Last edited by justford; 09-07-2016, 10:08 AM.

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