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  • Joneslab
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 39604

    #166
    Originally posted by justford

    Even if he signed would that lock him in if he decided to go the G League route? I have no idea.
    No, he could sign and then still jump. Nothing Kentucky could do to stop him either way.

    But by not signing he could POSSIBLY be sort of sending a message that he's open to the G-League's offer.

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    • JFCats22
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 4210

      #167
      Wiseman announcing his decision tomorrow.

      This is not going to be good news for UK and Cal. Another miss on a top 5 guy and another guy who at one point was a lock to choose UK who will now pick elsewhere instead.

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      • Joneslab
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 39604

        #168
        We need a real shocker tomorrow.

        If not, this thing could potentially go real bad real quick.

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        • JFCats22
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 4210

          #169
          Originally posted by Will Lavender
          We need a real shocker tomorrow.

          If not, this thing could potentially go real bad real quick.
          Carey announcing his top 3 this weekend and UK is not expected to be included in it.

          Yikes....I have no clue why top guys (not even one lately) have any interest in playing at UK for Cal. It's baffling.

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          • Dwight Schrute
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 18716

            #170
            The one hope is Evan Daniels still seems pretty sure that Wiseman is coming to Kentucky.

            But yeah, not optimistic.

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            • justford
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 4669

              #171
              Probably wrong but recruits seem to want to play in a system that is more open and very few plays are ran. Just my opinion.

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              • catfaninin
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 2016

                #172
                Originally posted by Will Lavender
                We need a real shocker tomorrow.

                If not, this thing could potentially go real bad real quick.
                I just keep thinking back to the Noel commitment when everyone already had his Georgetown uniform laid out.

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                • catfaninin
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 2016

                  #173
                  Originally posted by JFCats22

                  Carey announcing his top 3 this weekend and UK is not expected to be included in it.

                  Yikes....I have no clue why top guys (not even one lately) have any interest in playing at UK for Cal. It's baffling.
                  Not expected? Being negative is expected. Just making stuff up is something totally different.

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                  • Joneslab
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 39604

                    #174
                    Originally posted by justford
                    Probably wrong but recruits seem to want to play in a system that is more open and very few plays are ran. Just my opinion.
                    I can't imagine this is it because Cal's system is pretty open. I mean right now they're just running some version of the dribble-drive that's essentially based on reads.

                    Like all things in life, putting one explanation on the recruiting trouble probably won't fit. It's likely a bunch of different things. A major thing Cal has had to contend with that wasn't the case just a few years ago is that now everybody is after these top five players. It isn't just Kansas, Duke, and Carolina. When you have to battle with everybody it gets exponentially harder.

                    But I've sort of wondered for the last couple of years if Cal still has the fire. Some guys burn really bright and when the window closes they just can't connect to players like they once did. Cal may just not have the drive he once had and where that's going to show up is in these recruiting wars.

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                    • JFCats22
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 4210

                      #175
                      Originally posted by catfaninin

                      Not expected? Being negative is expected. Just making stuff up is something totally different.
                      What the heck are you talking about? Adam Zagoria, Evan Daniels, TJ Walker, Matt Jones all today said UK is not expected to be in his top three...what exactly am I making up? I guess I missed the catfaninin blog, Twitter account, radio show, and podcast you host showing off your recruiting expertise.

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                      • DA#23
                        Administrator
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 7342

                        #176
                        It’s one thing to lose out on Wiseman. It’s disaster if we miss on all four Wiseman, Carey, Stewart, and Hurt. That’s not counting the misses on the secondary level bigs.

                        Because at the end of the day we have 3 of the best 5 or 6 big guys in the world actively playing in the NBA

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                        • Dwight Schrute
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 18716

                          #177
                          Assuming the tea leaves are accurate and Wiseman goes to Memphis, probably marks the first time I've felt bad about the future of the program in 10 years. Cal's system relies on getting elite top level guys - a series of one-and-dones with second tier guys is just brutal.

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                          • Joneslab
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 39604

                            #178
                            Our best hope now is probably McDaniels.

                            Also I've heard on Rivals that there's a chance N'Faly Dante will reclassify.

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                            • Dwight Schrute
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 18716

                              #179
                              If Cal misses out on all our targets again I wonder if he'll hang it up after this year. If we lose most of the team to the NBA again this year and miss out on most of our targets, it could get kinda ugly for him next year.

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                              • Joneslab
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2014
                                • 39604

                                #180
                                Originally posted by Dwight Schrute
                                If Cal misses out on all our targets again I wonder if he'll hang it up after this year. If we lose most of the team to the NBA again this year and miss out on most of our targets, it could get kinda ugly for him next year.
                                Well, he isn't going to miss out on all his targets. We have two top ten players already and a good chance at a third (McDaniels).

                                But Kentucky's problem will continue to be what we lose versus what we get to replace them.

                                It looks like we only have two surefire pros at the moment (Johnson and Washington), but you know Kentucky will lose far more than that.

                                You can recruit the way Cal is going to this year but you've got to return guys. Cal isn't in the game of returning guys and he's still not really recruiting a whole lot of players who are longterm players. That's a recipe for program erosion.

                                I tended to read Brad's redshirt year the opposite of most people: I thought it might mean he's going to try and transfer to somewhere he can play his last two years. If true, and if you go back and listen to Cal's very early comments about the Kentucky job ("This isn't an old man's game," "I don't want to wear out my welcome here"), then you have to think the end of the Cal era might be hurtling toward us.

                                A more interesting question is where Cal fits in historically, both at UK and in the history of the game.

                                If this team continues like it has and loses 10 or 11 games and goes out in the Sweet Sixteen and Cal leaves, then you'd have to put Cal as the third best coach all-time at Kentucky, and probably in a group just below Roy Williams and Jim Calhoun all-time.

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