Pat Adams Ejected a Play-by-Play Guy Last Night

[George]

If you are creating an unsafe atmosphere, the Officials not only have the right, but an obligation to have you removed.

But the officials have no legal grounds to do so themselves. They can through assistance from an officer or an administrator, but the official has no legal power to remove anyone from a building.

[KCKUKFan]

Take a listen to this:

http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/green-bay-announcer-temporarily-ejected-from-horizon-league-semifinal.html

Indefensible. Pat Adams should have his credentials stripped.

[Joneslab]

Take a listen to this:

http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/gree...semifinal.html

Indefensible. Pat Adams should have his credentials stripped.

That's crazy. (And honestly when the Oakland guy is magically on the mic after the time-out it's absolutely hilarious.)

We don't know what was going on to warrant any of that, but judging by the radio guy's surprise--and considering the Horizon League sent him back out there despite Adams--I have to think Adams went crazy as he's prone to do.

Needs to probably hang it up at this point. And lest people think this is weird for the SEC, we have an official in this league WHO WAS THROWN OUT OF THE ACC JUST LAST YEAR FOR ARGUING WITH FANS AND USING A RACIAL SLUR.

[Katmendo]

I listened to it, and it was a bad call.

Absolutely not representative of modern officiating, but Adams was out of line, with regards to that clip. Unless he had some demonstrable evidence or prior or ongoing misconduct, Adams should be significantly reprimanded.

And, not that I want to be the voice of reason, but let's not overlook the possibility of some very personal issues that are affecting Adams. If that's the case, he might need a break to just get some affairs in order.

I dunno. Just saying it was a strange occurrence.

[Pobilly]

Did anyone listen to the audio from the broadcast on KSR. It has 4 plus minutes from the person ejected. It has the other broadcaster taking over. If this is brought up to whomever is in charge of Pat Adams it looks like to me he will have something to answer to. The guy never raises his voice. He is following the action and then you hear Pat say something to him, he says to Pat I am not looking at you I am watching game action and announcing. Then it goes to break and when they come back the Oakland play by play guy is on air. About 1 minute later the guy is back on the air again. Not sure what to think on this. Very odd.

[Chaz]

A couple of games back I was listening to Tom and Mike calling the game and
Tom made the comment that he had better watch out or he might get thrown out
for questioning several bad calls by Sirmons or Adams. Don't remember which game
and thought it odd that Tom would make such a comment.

[Lighthouse]

But the officials have no legal grounds to do so themselves. They can through assistance from an officer or an administrator, but the official has no legal power to remove anyone from a building.

Other than fans fighting each other or obviously drunk, I have never seen anyone removed from an arena without an Official initiating it. You do realize that if an official has any knowledge of someone threatening any Coach, Player or Official, and they don't act on that knowledge, they possibly could be held liable. That gives them legal grounds.

[George]

Other than fans fighting each other or obviously drunk, I have never seen anyone removed from an arena without an Official initiating it. You do realize that if an official has any knowledge of someone threatening any Coach, Player or Official, and they don't act on that knowledge, they possibly could be held liable. That gives them legal grounds.

No, that doesn't give them legal grounds. That just means that there are rules or legal guidelines by which an official should abide, but only because it would be in that official's best interest. By your logic, anyone who fails to report a threat could be held liable; that doesn't mean that the average spectator who sees a drunk person has the legal authority to eject that person from the premises.

My first job at the university where I'm employed involved some student activities that were inherently dangerous. I could have been held liable for lots of situations on any given day, but that didn't mean that I could legally remove a student (or any other person) from an event or activity. I could ask or suggest that they leave, but it would have taken campus police to physically remove the person in question.

Same applies for an official. The risk of liability does not give that person legal power to eject a person from the premises.

[Lighthouse]

No, that doesn't give them legal grounds. That just means that there are rules or legal guidelines by which an official should abide, but only because it would be in that official's best interest. By your logic, anyone who fails to report a threat could be held liable; that doesn't mean that the average spectator who sees a drunk person has the legal authority to eject that person from the premises.

My first job at the university where I'm employed involved some student activities that were inherently dangerous. I could have been held liable for lots of situations on any given day, but that didn't mean that I could legally remove a student (or any other person) from an event or activity. I could ask or suggest that they leave, but it would have taken campus police to physically remove the person in question.

Same applies for an official. The risk of liability does not give that person legal power to eject a person from the premises.

I understand what you're saying, but there's little difference between your first statement and your second, and it's not only in the officials best interest, it's in the best interested of anyone who is threatened. It's the responsibility of the Official to take steps to remedy the threat. A part of the training of Officials covers what, why and how they could be held liable. I've never seen an official physically remove anyone from either a game or the stands, but we were instructed to contact game management to handle it. Allowing a fan to remain after they have threatened a Player, Coach or Official, is no different than allowing a player to participate wearing a piece of hard plastic under tape, that could possibly harm another player. And I can promise you both are legal liabilities an Official will not allow.

[catfan]

Lighthouse is correct, they can delete posts. I have had posts deleted because they were not PC.

[KevinHall]

That's crazy. (And honestly when the Oakland guy is magically on the mic after the time-out it's absolutely hilarious.)

We don't know what was going on to warrant any of that, but judging by the radio guy's surprise--and considering the Horizon League sent him back out there despite Adams--I have to think Adams went crazy as he's prone to do.

Needs to probably hang it up at this point. And lest people think this is weird for the SEC, we have an official in this league WHO WAS THROWN OUT OF THE ACC JUST LAST YEAR FOR ARGUING WITH FANS AND USING A RACIAL SLUR.

Yep nothing on that audio. Short of that radio guy giving Adams the finger or some other vulgar gesture there's nothing there. With the Horizon League sending the announcer back out there you have to believe there was absolutely nothing. Just another ref trying to make himself bigger than the game. Adams should be fired for that but as we all know he will probably be right back out there doing NCAA tournament games.

That last one you mentioned is Karl Hess. He was actually taken out of all the conferences this year except the SEC and some other minor conference for other problems he had been having. Just shows how bad the SEC is about the officiating when they keep a guy who can't get a job anywhere else.

[Matt Dillon]

Lighthouse is correct, they can delete posts. I have had posts deleted because they were not PC.

relevance?

[George]

I understand what you're saying, but there's little difference between your first statement and your second, and it's not only in the officials best interest, it's in the best interested of anyone who is threatened. It's the responsibility of the Official to take steps to remedy the threat. A part of the training of Officials covers what, why and how they could be held liable. I've never seen an official physically remove anyone from either a game or the stands, but we were instructed to contact game management to handle it. Allowing a fan to remain after they have threatened a Player, Coach or Official, is no different than allowing a player to participate wearing a piece of hard plastic under tape, that could possibly harm another player. And I can promise you both are legal liabilities an Official will not allow.

I also understand where you're coming from, but what you're talking about still doesn't qualify as legal authority.

[catfan]

relevance?

You must have missed what Lighthouse said about what moderators can do,

[Matt Dillon]

You must have missed what Lighthouse said about what moderators can do,

I did......