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[Joneslab]

WAIT WAIT WAIT --- I thought so many fans were sick of the one and dones? They want him to recruit lesser talent in hopes they stay 2-3-4 years and develop in the program... Well - here it is. Really fun stuff huh?

He’s got to find the balance like some of these programs that are finding success now (Villanova, Gonzaga, etc.)

The problem has become one-and-dones have gotten too dispersed across college basketball. Used to be they only went to a select few programs. Now they go everywhere. Which means you’re only going to get one, maybe two of those true elites—and even that’s going to be tough.

It’s not that we need to settle with lesser talent. Whoever is the coach here has to recruit the best of the best.

It’s simply that we can’t keep bleeding players like this. It’s untenable.

[40bill]

No.

People want 3-4 year players who stay and develop some continuity in the program. People are tired of the year over year roster turnover where NBA kids bolt, the ones who have no shot go, and the others that show promise transfer out.

Outstanding summation.

[Westtncat]

Off topic just a bit but I saw a piece on the team today. It said UKs only weakness was weakness. Pretty accurate. 😁

[GOCAT15]

And if he recruited 3-4 year players that had to stay and develop then most fans would be complaining about that as well and that it’s not acceptable to only have a title contender every 4 years. It’s a tough situation, just look at Duke, they are struggling as well but it’s funny how you don’t hear any of the reporters and beat writers talking about them.

[Matt Dillon]

just look at Duke, they are struggling as well but it’s funny how you don’t hear any of the reporters and beat writers talking about them.

That's what happens when you're the creme de la creme of college bb like UK.

[teamchemistry15]

This is the first year they havent improved, which is why he has earned a chance to fix it.

I'm not saying he needs to go. He's definitely earned the chance to fix it, IMO.

[teamchemistry15]

Ok so what... He also recruited Herro, Quickly, Wall, Cousins, Washington, Fox, Monk, Briscoe, Shai, Davis, Gilchrist, and many many others... He missed on 3 players that were supposed to have been a lot better than they were in Boston, Clarke, and Sarr as the transfer... It happens. Sometimes, these kids don't pan out. Unfortunately, this team has missed on every single spot and it's going to be tough next year as well if someone doesn't come in to provide some assistance and if some of these players that return doesn't take a huge leap of improvement.

And are you really that naive to think that they are not practicing things in practice? You don't get to the spot where Cal is and has been without being good at what you do. It's not like they just picked him up down at the local general store. So many people act like Cal was the only coach after these guys.

He missed. You can see it on the court. They don't know the basics of the game. Did he miss on some recruits over the years - sure, everyone does.

He's trying to force Sarr to be a back to the basket player and that's not what he is. He had success doing that with KAT but failed with Skal and now Sarr.

Naive? Well, he's said over the years he doesn't make time in practice for free throws, so...

I'm not one of those "Fahrrr Cal" people. He's earned the chance to fix this. But, this team hasn't gotten any better. That's a coaching problem. He's trying to force square pegs into round holes.

[teamchemistry15]

WAIT WAIT WAIT --- I thought so many fans were sick of the one and dones? They want him to recruit lesser talent in hopes they stay 2-3-4 years and develop in the program... Well - here it is. Really fun stuff huh?

I just want him to stop encouraging kids to go who aren't ready.

[Joneslab]

I just want him to stop encouraging kids to go who aren't ready.

I don’t know if he encourages them but honestly, that’s not the problem anyway.

The problem is that the system is set up so that he doesn’t have to encourage them. They’re expected to go after one year when they come here. It’s why they come here.

It’s a system that’s essentially a pyramid scheme. It will inevitably collapse at some point because he couldn’t possibly feed enough talent into it to keep it from collapsing. That’s what I think we’re witnessing and I just don’t think Cal can stop it at this point.

[40bill]

[QUOTE=Will Lavender;n254150]



It’s a system that’s essentially a pyramid scheme. It will inevitably collapse at some point because he couldn’t possibly feed enough talent into it to keep it from collapsing. That’s what I think we’re witnessing and I just don’t think Cal can stop it at this point. [/QUOTE

This. A lot of folks have mentioned that it actually seems there is pressure on these kids to go. From parents, friends, remoras, you name it. College ball is nothing more than a rules mandated stop off.

I didnt like the jump from high school era. BUT this one and gone due to age has bit us hard.

Of course I admit it didnt feel so wrong when UK was winning....

[Dwight Schrute]

I haven’t loved the one and done stuff but I accepted it because we have gotten to see some of the greats play in Kentucky jerseys and we’ve won a lot of games.

That system doesn’t work anymore because we aren’t getting enough of those players and the game has changed. If Cal isn’t gonna adapt then he needs to move on. He’s getting paid too much.

[teamchemistry15]

[QUOTE=40bill;n254151]

It’s a system that’s essentially a pyramid scheme. It will inevitably collapse at some point because he couldn’t possibly feed enough talent into it to keep it from collapsing. That’s what I think we’re witnessing and I just don’t think Cal can stop it at this point. [/QUOTE

This. A lot of folks have mentioned that it actually seems there is pressure on these kids to go. From parents, friends, remoras, you name it. College ball is nothing more than a rules mandated stop off.

I didnt like the jump from high school era. BUT this one and gone due to age has bit us hard.

Of course I admit it didnt feel so wrong when UK was winning....

Some of the pressure also comes from Cal walking in their living room and saying "You aren't a four year player." Why not say "We are going to do everything we can to make sure you have a successful career playing basketball" and leave it at that?

[teamchemistry15]

I don’t know if he encourages them but honestly, that’s not the problem anyway.

The problem is that the system is set up so that he doesn’t have to encourage them. They’re expected to go after one year when they come here. It’s why they come here.

It’s a system that’s essentially a pyramid scheme. It will inevitably collapse at some point because he couldn’t possibly feed enough talent into it to keep it from collapsing. That’s what I think we’re witnessing and I just don’t think Cal can stop it at this point.

I think her encourages them because of the Wagner situation at Memphis. If he comes back to school another year and has his medical issues while in college he doesn't earn the money he did. I think that's always in the back of his mind. He needs to start using PJ, IQ, Richards, etc as the example because they are more of the rule. Davis, Wall, and KAT are the exceptions.

[Ratt]

I think her encourages them because of the Wagner situation at Memphis. If he comes back to school another year and has his medical issues while in college he doesn't earn the money he did. I think that's always in the back of his mind. He needs to start using PJ, IQ, Richards, etc as the example because they are more of the rule. Davis, Wall, and KAT are the exceptions.

I don't think he encourages them at all. I think he confirms and supports them as he should. The Wagner situation at Memphis was how long ago now? Those 'injuries' are very few and far between in today's athletes. A lot of this is on the players, their situations, and what their purpose is. EJ could have easily stayed - he had no business going pro but I'm sure Cal supported him. I don't think the one and done is ever going away and that's fine. I think the biggest problem at UK is that rarely do we get a talented player that stays 3 to 4 years and/or a freshman that is going to stay and wait to play in 2 or 3 years because they want to play right away.

Regardless - for those "fire cal" fans --- it could be worse, just look at LSU. That was a terrible display. I don't want to watch that. It's just chuck the ball from all over the place.

[Lighthouse]

If Cal pulls this team out to at least a winning record, he will earn my respect all over again.