BLM

[Joneslab]

Actually, the disgusting BLM chants "Pigs in a blanket, Fry'em like bacon", and "What do we want? Dead cops. When do we want it? NOW" did not originate out of our current protests/riots. They originated after the August 2014, shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.

I'm sure this is true.

I also didn't mean to suggest that everything was hunky dory with the current protests at the beginning. I watched much of the first night of protests on TV. Definitely saw people (many of them white) screaming at cops...but I also saw cops doing crazy things, including one (who may've been a corrections officer) firing rubber bullets at a TV anchor unprovoked.

I think so much in life can come down to both sides are a little to blame, and this is one of them.

Will, I've always respected your wit and wisdom re the BBN, but we definitely disagree when it comes to BLM, and, obviously, politics, in general. My respect for the vast majority of law enforcement officers, the perpetuation of the nuclear family structure, and the protection of the unborn would never allow me to participate in a BLM-sponsored event/march.

I still don't understand how the nuclear family and the unborn have anything to do with BLM.

[SCBlu]

When its your issue, its principle over convenience.

Quite a statement for someone who does not know me.

[40bill]

I'm sure this is true.

I also didn't mean to suggest that everything was hunky dory with the current protests at the beginning. I watched much of the first night of protests on TV. Definitely saw people (many of them white) screaming at cops...but I also saw cops doing crazy things, including one (who may've been a corrections officer) firing rubber bullets at a TV anchor unprovoked.

I think so much in life can come down to both sides are a little to blame, and this is one of them.



I still don't understand how the nuclear family and the unborn have anything to do with BLM.

Then perhaps the mission statement needs to be addressed.
that was what was presented.
if BLM is solely about equal justice and addressing out of control police action, I see no issue.
I see no problem with protest.
seems like everything has gone far from that.

[Joneslab]

Then perhaps the mission statement needs to be addressed.
that was what was presented.
if BLM is solely about equal justice and addressing out of control police action, I see no issue.
I see no problem with protest.
seems like everything has gone far from that.

As far as I can tell BLM (at least the corporate arm of it) has said they want to "disrupt the Western-style nuclear family" by prescribing more to villages that stand up for the entire community.

I believe what they're addressing there is the view that many protect their own family, but when it comes to the village they stand down. This is definitely true; in fact I've noticed this trait in my own family. Community concerns are really not relevant in the suburbs because the suburb isn't truly a community.

I don't think they're saying they're going to destroy the traditional mother/father/children dynamic, but maybe I misunderstood.

[Dwight Schrute]

Quite a statement for someone who does not know me.

Yeah I'm sure you're a unique guy whose views are nuanced.

[40bill]

As far as I can tell BLM (at least the corporate arm of it) has said they want to "disrupt the Western-style nuclear family" by prescribing more to villages that stand up for the entire community.

I believe what they're addressing there is the view that many protect their own family, but when it comes to the village they stand down. This is definitely true; in fact I've noticed this trait in my own family. Community concerns are really not relevant in the suburbs because the suburb isn't truly a community.

I don't think they're saying they're going to destroy the traditional mother/father/children dynamic, but maybe I misunderstood.

You could well be correct. To be honest, I'm sure I have misunderstood statements as many or more times than I have understood.
you're understanding is as reasonable as any I've read. You have brought out the point many times that certain phrases, words or actions are triggers. Perhaps this is unintentional, but I tend to think more often than not they are intended to provoke action/reaction. Perhaps with the inordinate statistic of single parent homes....especially matriarchal, it is the clearest path seen open in the black community today.

[Lighthouse]

Does anyone know how BLM the organization is funded?

[Westtncat]

So if blm has a mission statement about a village approach then why do they only care about the village depending on how a villager dies and by what race he dies? Some of the mission statement is bologna. I would love to see a proactive rather than a reactive organization.

[Joneslab]

So if blm has a mission statement about a village approach then why do they only care about the village depending on how a villager dies and by what race he dies? Some of the mission statement is bologna. I would love to see a proactive rather than a reactive organization.

Well I don’t think they go away when there are no incidents to protest. We just don’t hear a lot about them. Why would we? We’re white. I live in the suburbs. A lot of this stuff never touches me or my family.

But whether they were proactive or reactive, they’d be met with the same criticism about Marxism, how they wanted to dissolve the traditional family structure, etc. Those things are said about leftist groups generally.

And there are some of those groups that do want to tear down traditional culture or white culture. There are many militant blacks who don’t want equality, they want the Old Way to burn.

I don’t believe this is common among the group as a whole. I also don’t think the group will be able to institute real change until the relationship between the black community and the police is repaired. That’s a problem that is at the root of all this.

[40bill]

Does anyone know how BLM the organization is funded?

Good question. I know some folks that sent them money to an internet address. Several corporate groups seemed to be on board at first, but now dunno. There was an internet request attributed to Kamala Harris for funds to bail out protesters (whether she was really involved or not I couldn't say).
I believe the longer VIOLENT protests go and BLM is connected to them, the monies will slow from any corporate accounts.

[40bill]

Well I don’t think they go away when there are no incidents to protest. We just don’t hear a lot about them. Why would we? We’re white. I live in the suburbs. A lot of this stuff never touches me or my family.

But whether they were proactive or reactive, they’d be met with the same criticism about Marxism, how they wanted to dissolve the traditional family structure, etc. Those things are said about leftist groups generally.

And there are some of those groups that do want to tear down traditional culture or white culture. There are many militant blacks who don’t want equality, they want the Old Way to burn.

I don’t believe this is common among the group as a whole. I also don’t think the group will be able to institute real change until the relationship between the black community and the police is repaired. That’s a problem that is at the root of all this.

If there indeed MANY militant blacks (and whites) that want to burn it all down, I believe that community/police relationship will get further away.

[Westtncat]

It's too easy to be against the police. The criminal element within The blm or that comes with it has too much of a voice. It will take some big names making the right call to repair this and I only see the opposite. Obama sent his own people to investigate the Michael Brown shooting and they proved the cop was telling the truth. Even with proof from an autopsy many in the NBA still pushed the hands up don't shoot narrative. It would help to separate individual incidents and objective look at each one to determine what happened. As it stands there are vigilante mobs demanding instant justice. Add prominent members of the community that refuse to denounce that and even wanting defund the police you get an impossible situation for any trust to even begin develop.

[Westtncat]

Sorry for my bad grammar I am posting from a phone and it's just harder. 😁

[Joneslab]

If there indeed MANY militant blacks (and whites) that want to burn it all down, I believe that community/police relationship will get further away.

I’m sure. But at times the police don’t do enough either.

[Joneslab]

It's too easy to be against the police. The criminal element within The blm or that comes with it has too much of a voice. It will take some big names making the right call to repair this and I only see the opposite. Obama sent his own people to investigate the Michael Brown shooting and they proved the cop was telling the truth. Even with proof from an autopsy many in the NBA still pushed the hands up don't shoot narrative. It would help to separate individual incidents and objective look at each one to determine what happened. As it stands there are vigilante mobs demanding instant justice. Add prominent members of the community that refuse to denounce that and even wanting defund the police you get an impossible situation for any trust to even begin develop.

There’s a lot of gray area in many of these shootings but the Michael Brown situation was one of the worst to me. Heartbreaking.

That one to me looked a lot like George Floyd. I actually think the Blake and Taylor shootings are probably more complex.

Of course with these things we’re all just reading articles so we don’t have the whole story. I do think it’s a major problem in the black community of black men being generally harassed by cops. I have black relatives who say that. Just a few weeks ago a black Republican senator said it. I think it’s a legitimate problem that might spill over into violence if the conditions are right.