BLM

[Spiritof96]

There's an NPR interview where the same woman who said the Marxist thing also says all white people are racist. (She also calls the group "Communist," but doesn't mean it literally--only that they are treated like Communists.)

Related, I heard an interview with a prominent black author the other day on the radio and she claimed pretty much the same thing, i.e. that all white people need to come to terms with racism so as to purge it from our consciousness.

I don't agree with that at all. But I have heard some pretty racist things from white people and I've heard those very people turn around and say, "I don't have a racist bone in my body."

There are legions of people who picked up on the philosophical leanings of BLM besides whatever woman you heard say that.

It is plain as day. If you don't find the obvious, literal, philosophic tie to be a problem, so be it, but don't act like it isn't there. You can just say, "Ya know those neo-marxist beliefs aren't half bad. I'm sure the people pushing that want nothing but the very best for all of us."

And you absolutely pivoted. First, you said x wasn't true, (it is true) then you said that it didn't matter that x was true.

[Joneslab]

There are legions of people who picked up on the philosophical leanings of BLM besides whatever woman you heard say that.

It is plain as day. If you don't find the obvious, literal, philosophic tie to be a problem, so be it, but don't act like it isn't there. You can just say, "Ya know those neo-marxist beliefs aren't half bad. I'm sure the people pushing that want nothing but the very best for all of us."

I don't know if it's a problem or not because I think it's such an isolated accusation that it doesn't really apply to most in the movement. My point is that the movement is so widespread, so scattered, so personal, that it has become amorphous and almost unclassifiable.

And you absolutely pivoted. First, you said x wasn't true, (it is true) then you said that it didn't matter that x was true.

I didn't say it wasn't true. I just pointed out that "Marxism" has historically been a quick, convenient comeback from white people about black organization for nigh on seventy years.

[Catatonic]

Interesting observation... I wonder where I heard it before.

It isn't the same observation. I'm referring to the Pew poll, which I imagine quite a few posters here would be in that minority that says they don't support the BLM movement.

If the message was universally agreed upon the only criticism would be that rioters or Marxists or whatever are threatening to hijack the message. But clearly that isn't it, because the goal isn't to save it from interlopers but to lump them all together in hopes of sinking it entirely.

[justford]

Pittsburgh
https://www.facebook.com/10974568703...0132298329241/

https://www.facebook.com/1485389031762998/posts/2483282991973592/

If the designated protest spots were not in the streets, the harassment seen in the above video would be avoided. If this harassment happened away from the protest site, the police should arrest the perpetrators. They should be arrested anyway but during a protest different laws or lack of come into play.

[J.Jennings]

If the designated protest spots were not in the streets, the harassment seen in the above video would be avoided. If this harassment happened away from the protest site, the police should arrest the perpetrators. They should be arrested anyway but during a protest different laws or lack of come into play.

The harassment has to stop, this kind of stuff actually turns more people away from the cause in my opinion.

[40bill]

Ah, once again only Spirit has the facts. I'll watch a 75-minute YouTube video from a black conservative to educate myself.

Not Spirit, but mine came from a Google search of what the BLM stood for.
and the words 'Marxist' and talk of doing away with the nuclear family were definitely there.

[Westtncat]

I think it's ridiculous to try and act like the good intentions of blm have been tainted by actions of a couple of rouge individuals who don't understand the original intent. This is national and there are thousands involved.

[Joneslab]

Not Spirit, but mine came from a Google search of what the BLM stood for.
and the words 'Marxist' and talk of doing away with the nuclear family were definitely there.

Sure but you can find those charges levied against a bunch of groups. To some folks anything a smidge of center is commie.

Spirit isn’t wrong though about the stated intentions of at least one founder. She did say that. My point to him is that I would imagine a great percentage of the group’s followers probably aren’t aware she said that.

The UK video we’re talking about on this thread for instance is very tame. Can anyone watch that video and with a straight face say those players are supporting Marxists?

[40bill]

Sure but you can find those charges levied against a bunch of groups. To some folks anything a smidge of center is commie.

Spirit isn’t wrong though about the stated intentions of at least one founder. She did say that. My point to him is that I would imagine a great percentage of the group’s followers probably aren’t aware she said that.

The UK video we’re talking about on this thread for instance is very tame. Can anyone watch that video and with a straight face say those players are supporting Marxists?

Nah.....the UK video is fine, although a couple of claims of victim are questionable,...if not just inaccurate.

Just as those to the right of center likely should blast the far right, so should the left. BLM has picked up a lot of super negative pub by not being more vocal.

That ain't gonna happen on either side. Everybody wants votes.

[Westtncat]

Blast the far right for what when it pertains to blm?

[Joneslab]

Blast the far right for what when it pertains to blm?

Far right and far left should always be put on blast IMO. Just on general principle.

Problem is no American thinks he’s part of the “far” anything. Generally we think we’re logical and level headed.

Personally what I worry about in America right now isn’t a problem with logic. I think too many of us lack compassion.

I feel it in myself sometimes. Not proud of it. I think engaging in all these politics all the time have rotted our brains and made us suspicious of the other.

[Westtncat]

Will. You have no idea how much in depth thought I have given to this topic. Way to much to get into here.

[SCBlu]

I would argue that most folks at the beginning weren't chanting about "dead cops." My wife went to a BLM protest back in April. She went because many white youth group leaders in the Catholic church were going with their families. They tied BLM in to human dignity, the same as an abortion debate. At the protest she went to there was nothing said about dead cops. It was entirely peaceful.

I think the violent rhetoric has crept in as the protests have gone on--and honestly it doesn't take a lot to pervert the message. Just takes a handful of crazies to do it. For instance, we had a drug store near our neighborhood broken into (more than once) right when the protests in Louisville began. I can't tell you the number of (white) people I've spoken to who have said, "It's those protests." I think it's more than likely just a small group of troublemakers who have used the protests as cover.

Also, I'm curious about the part in bold above. As I said above about the other post, the nuclear family thing sounds like Fox News paranoia more than anything. I would be leery about conservative news anchors trying to scare your family more than anything there.

Actually, the disgusting BLM chants "Pigs in a blanket, Fry'em like bacon", and "What do we want? Dead cops. When do we want it? NOW" did not originate out of our current protests/riots. They originated after the August 2014, shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.
Regarding my reference to BLM's "nuclear family thing", don't blame it on what you call "Fox News paranoia". In truth, it comes directly from BLM's mission statement, where it states, "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we...AylfB_b-xgPgnH

Will, I've always respected your wit and wisdom re the BBN, but we definitely disagree when it comes to BLM, and, obviously, politics, in general. My respect for the vast majority of law enforcement officers, the perpetuation of the nuclear family structure, and the protection of the unborn would never allow me to participate in a BLM-sponsored event/march.

[SCBlu]

Ah so cancel culture run amok.

No. Principle over Convenience.

[Dwight Schrute]

No. Principle over Convenience.

When its your issue, its principle over convenience.