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Scrooge, The Grinch, The Ghost of Christmas Future: UCLA Edition

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  • Joneslab
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 39604

    #1

    Scrooge, The Grinch, The Ghost of Christmas Future: UCLA Edition

    Scrooge

    * That was one of the more frustrating losses of the Cal era yesterday, all things considered. That was a game Kentucky should have won, and really needed to win considering the fact that there are going to be a few road losses out there that this team just won't be able to dodge.

    * UCLA is not a good basketball team. That's a borderline NCAA team with probably zero professional players (maybe Welsh) and we had to fight in the second half to keep them from running away from us. Did I say frustrating?

    * Defense. As in: we're in trouble. This team got beat on a plethora (can I say plethora on Christmas Eve?) of actions last night. They were beaten off the dribble. Beaten on pick and pop (OMG the pick and pop) by Feathers Welsh. Beaten on straight line drives. If you're looking for a sign of doom and one thing that will likely keep this team from competing for even an SEC title, it begins on the defensive end. Not one stopper on this team.

    * Low energy. This is to be expected in a lot of ways, and we saw it in this same event against Ohio State two years ago: it's Christmas, the gym is practically empty, the atmosphere is pretty stagnant. But this young Kentucky team got a lead and played very well for that one stretch in the first half, and then they thought they could just float through the rest of the game. What actually happened was that UCLA beat us to virtually every loose ball, they outworked us in almost every way imaginable, and the game came apart at the seams.

    The Grinch

    * Quade Green. Ouch. Quade came off arguably his best game as a Cat and put up his worst game. He even went to a variety of different shades before ditching them altogether, which hurt something in my soul. But really the most worrying thing was that there were multiple loose balls in his area, and he just could not get to them. And when they isolated him defensively, he could stay in front of no one. His lack of athleticism came out yesterday in so many ways.

    * Shooting woes. Kentucky fired up a 21 threes yesterday, which is about the target that John Calipari wants. But they only hit 6, and were doubled up by UCLA in that stat. (Oddly, all the other stats in this game were eerily similar.) This was one of the more disappointing things about this game, particularly as they were coming off a Virginia Tech game that saw them torch the nets. But if you go 6-21, you better hit the offensive glass. We couldn't, and UCLA turned the game into a slog in the last 10 minutes.

    * Steve Alford has Cal's number. That's 3 out of the last 5 for Alford, who is obviously not considered one of the nation's elite coaches. I think the reason for it is probably because Alford runs a screen-heavy system that UK has trouble with. I noticed in yesterday's game and in the game in Rupp last year that they just really baffled us on so much stuff where they ball screened and flat screened and pinned down and did all kinds of unusual stuff that I just don't think we practice. But whatever the reason, it's disappointing to continue losing games to a program that Kentucky should really be out-classing.

    * The most devastating section of the game was when Wenyen (who I thought gave the most heart of anybody) hit the two threes in a row only to see UCLA go down and knife us with two threes of their own. That was when the game was there for us to take, and we couldn't take it.

    * PJ Washington: still not enough. Washington is just not as in on the game as he needs to be. Had only one little run where he registered as a game-changing player. Otherwise he was just out there. This is a team that needs everybody on board if it's going to be special, and too many times UK has one or two guys playing and the others just kind of floating through the game.

    The Ghost of Christmas Future

    * After a game like that, one inevitably starts to look ahead. It really rattles everything you believed about the team and its ceiling. The team we saw yesterday is that 7- or 8-loss team in the SEC, and the one that probably has to fight to not go home in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. In short, it's a team that really doesn't register in the national discussion. That's a really disappointing turn of events, and I just hope that Vanderbilt comes back and is as good as advertised, and/or yesterday's game was just a slip on the ice.

    * A lot of discussion after the game about how apathetic people are about this team. I've heard it out in the world: people are just not fired up about this team at all. So many of my friends have told me they just haven't caught any of the games. This is what happens when one and done goes haywire. We don't have elite players outside of Knox and at times Diallo, we don't have a cohesive team yet, and when you get a situation like we had yesterday I think people start to move from apathetic to infuriated. We need the Louisville win in the worst way.
    Last edited by Joneslab; 12-24-2017, 10:50 AM.
  • DA#23
    Administrator
    • Oct 2014
    • 7342

    #2
    This game didn't deserve a GBU review. Watched it with two of my aunts who talked more about program apathy than the actual game.

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    • Lighthouse
      Gone But Never Forgotten
      • Oct 2014
      • 35962

      #3
      What we need are shooters. Maybe they're not 5 Stars, but if they can shoot, they can help us. I watched so many shooters this week at Fairdale, and a couple who play for local teams, could help us now.
      John 3:3

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      • Joneslab
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 39604

        #4
        Originally posted by Lighthouse
        What we need are shooters. Maybe they're not 5 Stars, but if they can shoot, they can help us. I watched so many shooters this week at Fairdale, and a couple who play for local teams, could help us now.
        It's not a great shooting team but they've been decent so far. About 37%, which is better than average. I think in that regard yesterday was more of a blip.

        What this team doesn't do at a high level, and really hasn't done all year, is guard. That's pretty normal for young teams, but this team, probably because of its lack of speed at the point guard position, is probably behind most of Cal's team with the exception of the NIT team.

        And they're close to the NIT team really. Just not a good defensive unit. They don't do anything on the defensive end well.

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        • Joneslab
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 39604

          #5
          But also on the topic of three-point shooting: the Virginia Tech game was a little fool's gold.

          I worried that we'd come out and jack shots up after making 11 in that game.

          That's what we did. This team has some shooters but if it's going to take 22, the guys who can shoot (notably Green) have to be makers.

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          • SBCatMan
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 1765

            #6
            Originally posted by Will Lavender

            And they're close to the NIT team really. Just not a good defensive unit. They don't do anything on the defensive end well.
            We can micro analyze this team all we want, but, the fact is, at this point, it is just not a very good team. I am both surprised, and somewhat encouraged, to see someone else say what I have been thinking all along. Can things change? Sure ... maybe. But, right now, we are not a top 10 team. Not even close, IMO. Our record may say that we are 9-2, but really, we are 1-2. Those other 8 games were gimmees, and we almost left some on the table.

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            • Joneslab
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 39604

              #7
              Think Vanderbilt can change some of that if we have him, but a lot of it he'll have no impact on. Notably the inability to contain dribblers at the top. That's an issue that will probably linger all the way through.

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              • UK8STL11
                Senior Member
                • May 2017
                • 696

                #8
                No defense and no elite PG = 1st weekend NCAA exit.

                Awfully worried about UL game now. UL is WAY better than UCLA. Lose that one and this team could do in a tailspin very quickly. Plus, lots of apathy talk now...imagine if they lose to UL.

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                • Spiritof96
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 13503

                  #9
                  Re: apathy

                  I watched the Kansas game and nothing else this year. I saw the first half in DVR and then KSR pushed a final result spoiler to my phone and I turned it off.

                  My level of interest is one part Wisconsin loss, one part oad, and one part they aren’t very good.
                  Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
                  ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
                  Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
                  No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
                  RIP: Charlie Munger​

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                  • UK8STL11
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2017
                    • 696

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Spiritof96
                    Re: apathy

                    I watched the Kansas game and nothing else this year. I saw the first half in DVR and then KSR pushed a final result spoiler to my phone and I turned it off.

                    My level of interest is one part Wisconsin loss, one part oad, and one part they aren’t very good.
                    I think this sums it up perfectly. All three of those plus the UNC loss last year has UK in a weird state for me (and others I have talked to).

                    For me it was the UCONN loss, then the Wisconsin loss, then the Ulis/Murray (team which I really didn’t care for) being bad, and finally last year’s officiating nonsense and I think it finally broke part of my fandom. I find myself not really caring if I miss a game anymore. If I can make it great, if not then it’s no big deal.

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                    • Joneslab
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 39604

                      #11
                      I'm not sure Wisconsin and all that other stuff really applies when it comes to this bunch. And I'm speaking generally..

                      People were pretty fired up last year. And I think people by and large got behind the Ulis team, probably because of Ulis more than anything.

                      This is different. I just don't think people will get behind one-and-dones if you don't have many stars. The only way this thing works is if you have freaks.

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                      • Joneslab
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 39604

                        #12
                        Originally posted by UK8STL11
                        ...the Ulis/Murray (team which I really didn’t care for) being bad...
                        That team wasn't bad.

                        I think this may be kind of the problem.

                        Somebody last month was saying the team last year was basically a throwaway team. Crazzed is arguing the Ulis/Murray team was "bad."

                        Our standards might be a tad too high.

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                        • Katmendo
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2014
                          • 2278

                          #13
                          Hey folks.

                          Ummm.... Do you know what we're looking at?

                          There should be some of us that are a lot happier. Because, we're looking at a team without true one and dones, rather only a couple, and that with likely nowhere near the lottery potential.

                          If you wanted to get more experienced players that stay an extra year or two. Well, here they are.

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                          • Katmendo
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2014
                            • 2278

                            #14
                            I can definitely speak to the apathy. That's me, to the 9's. I just have no real motivation about this team, and I know why (for my thoughts, at least).

                            This team doesn't have ANYONE that does ANYTHING well. Now, spare me the Kevin Knox bit. The guy puts up 15 per game. Sure, there's potential. But, it's not like he's a guy who comes out and just lights it up.

                            Who is the ball handler, darting through traffic, dropping dimes?... No one.
                            Who is the shooter, pouring it in when there's a seam?... No one
                            Who's the glass eater, making sure no one gets free boards?.... No one
                            Who's the lockdown defender?.... Nope
                            Who's the block machine?...Not so much
                            Who's the glue guy?....Ehhh

                            Now, it's perfectly normal not to have all of those guys on a team. Most teams can't check all those boxes. Those that do can play in Final Fours.

                            BUT, to not have even ONE of those guys on a team, makes for some pretty uninspiring games, to me. I like these guys as pieces to build with. But, in the short term....

                            To be succinct, we have five, maybe six guys, who are all the kind of guys who "contribute" to better teams. But, we don't have a true number 1 guy at any position, anywhere on the team. Even Knox would be a great #3 option for a better team, but he just can't be a #1 player.

                            JMO

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                            • Joneslab
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 39604

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Katmendo
                              I can definitely speak to the apathy. That's me, to the 9's. I just have no real motivation about this team, and I know why (for my thoughts, at least).

                              This team doesn't have ANYONE that does ANYTHING well.
                              I don't agree with this.

                              They're inconsistent. That's a different thing than what you're talking about.

                              And I'd take Kevin Knox over a few of Cal's great players. I really like him and I think he's a star. If we had more of him we'd be fine.

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