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  • KevinHall
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 6857

    #16
    Originally posted by Downes Van Zandt

    Point being, we went to another play (the fade) because UGA stopped Snell and the Wildcat. The play you're talking about wouldn't have been necessary if the Wildcat were unstoppable, as you previously stated.
    They need to throw out of the Wildcat. I have no idea if Snell or Boom could throw at all but they have to at least show it a couple of times so the opponent will respect that. Once they showed UGA with one defender covering two receivers near the goal line because they knew UK wasn't going to throw the ball out of the Wildcat.
    Kentucky fan since 1971.

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    • Westtncat
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 2031

      #17
      My problem isnt the wildcat as much as running the same play out of the wildcat. The same play over and over is fine but you can use it to set up a bigger play. Throwing a fade was not the best play IMO.
      Last edited by Westtncat; 11-07-2016, 08:57 AM.

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      • Bubs72
        Junior Member
        • Sep 2016
        • 17

        #18
        I wondered on Saturday night, why not put Boom in the backfield with Snell in the Wildcat? At least then you make the defense wonder who is going to run it, let Benny hand it off a few times, use a little read option with both of them back there.

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        • Brasslock
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2014
          • 737

          #19
          Johnson's QB rating is 127.4 and that is 7th in the SEC. Turn that any way you would like but it is the highest rating we've had for a QB in the last 5 years or so. He's won some games for us with his arm and his legs. I think he deserves a little more credit than he's gotten.This rating would be even higher if several well thrown balls had not been dropped. The reasoning is that when he's on the field the defense has to account for him. This Georgia team beat NC at NC. They had UT beat in Knoxville except for a last gasp hail Mary pass. I agree he's isn't Zack Prescott. Not many of those around.

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          • SBCatMan
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 1765

            #20
            I have been watching football for 60 of my 65 years. I watched and played grade school football and high school football and I watch a TON of college football and a fair amount of pro football. I think in those 60 years I have seen the fade route work one time -- last year vs EKU. OK, that is probably an exaggeration, but I can honestly say I think I have seen more successful Hail Mary passes than fade routes. Whoever invented that play should have a place in the football Hall of Infamy.

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            • Matt Dillon
              Administrator
              • Oct 2014
              • 49625

              #21
              I either read, or heard, someone say the reason it is used so much is because it's a very safe pass. Either the person you're throwing it to catches it, or no one does.
              Philippians 4:11-4:13

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              • KevinHall
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 6857

                #22
                Originally posted by Matt Dillon
                I either read, or heard, someone say the reason it is used so much is because it's a very safe pass. Either the person you're throwing it to catches it, or no one does.
                That was the reason. Stoops didn't want a turnover at that point. If Johnson throws over the middle in the end zone there's a good chance that gets picked off and its game over at that point.
                Kentucky fan since 1971.

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                • Los Gatos
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 1692

                  #23
                  Originally posted by 40bill
                  I believe he is the best chance UK has. After Barker went down, I don't think there is any way Hinshaw and Gran would NOT have asked Mark Stoops to pull Hoaks red shirt if he was remotely ready to play. They are trying to build a program as well as make it to a bowl. There is no evidence that Barker will be able to return OR if he does will be granted a second ( medical this time) redshirt year.
                  At bit off topic but a medical redshirt will not give Barker another year at UK. He would also need a waiver for the four to play five rule. And under current NCAA guidelines, he would not qualify. You have to miss two years for "reasons beyond the players control" to qualify for a waiver. A regular redshirt, as Drew took his fist year, is not considered beyond the players control.

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                  • CATHYnKY
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 5570

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Bubs72
                    I wondered on Saturday night, why not put Boom in the backfield with Snell in the Wildcat? At least then you make the defense wonder who is going to run it, let Benny hand it off a few times, use a little read option with both of them back there.
                    I was just getting ready to ask if another back could be put in or is there some kind of trick play they could draw up while in the wildcat

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                    • Spiritof96
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 13503

                      #25
                      Originally posted by SBCatMan
                      I have been watching football for 60 of my 65 years. I watched and played grade school football and high school football and I watch a TON of college football and a fair amount of pro football. I think in those 60 years I have seen the fade route work one time -- last year vs EKU. OK, that is probably an exaggeration, but I can honestly say I think I have seen more successful Hail Mary passes than fade routes. Whoever invented that play should have a place in the football Hall of Infamy.
                      When we took down #1 LSU the fade was used to great effect....
                      Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
                      ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
                      Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
                      No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
                      RIP: Charlie Munger​

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                      • Los Gatos
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 1692

                        #26
                        Originally posted by CATHYnKY

                        I was just getting ready to ask if another back could be put in or is there some kind of trick play they could draw up while in the wildcat
                        Maybe we could revive the single wing formation.

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                        • Blue Heaven
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 6283

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Spiritof96

                          When we took down #1 LSU the fade was used to great effect....
                          Yeah, but Stevie was WIDE OPEN. Not a defender in sight. Baker was tightly covered. I agree about going with the safe play, but surely another play could've been called.
                          Isaiah 5:20

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                          • Matt Dillon
                            Administrator
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 49625

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Los Gatos

                            Maybe we could revive the single wing formation.
                            Or the Veer that Curci's teams ran with great success.
                            Philippians 4:11-4:13

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                            • Bubs72
                              Junior Member
                              • Sep 2016
                              • 17

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Matt Dillon

                              Or the Veer that Curci's teams ran with great success.
                              Why not? I mean if you're obviously not going to throw the ball out of this formation why not add a few little wrinkles just to keep the defense honest? Can you imagine putting Boom, Benny and JoJo back there together and running the veer or a little triple option, plus keep all of the downhill stuff they're running for Benny already. At least make it a little harder to prepare for what you're doing offensively.

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                              • KevinHall
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2014
                                • 6857

                                #30
                                Let's bring back the wishbone. Barry Switzer would vote for this. I could see Johnson being a good wishbone QB. But he's about 35 to 40 years too late.
                                Kentucky fan since 1971.

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