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  • Joneslab
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 39604

    #1

    New Book About Hal Mumme's Influence on the College Game

    Hall Mumme's name just popped up on my Twitter timeline, and it wasn't tweeted by anybody associated with UK but by Scribner press and the Wall Street Journal.

    Turns out there's a new book out about Mumme, Mike Leach, and the Air Raid. But it sounds like Mumme is the main focus of this.

  • Blue Heaven
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 6283

    #2
    He wasn't your typical coach, but I liked him and he made it fun to be UK football fan.
    Isaiah 5:20

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    • TrueblueCATfan
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 16268

      #3
      Originally posted by Blue Heaven
      He wasn't your typical coach, but I liked him and he made it fun to be UK football fan.
      I agree too.....

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      • Uncle Dave
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 1979

        #4
        HOLD ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mumme coached 95 games and lost...........64 of them. 2 out of 3 games he coached, he lost, and there's a book out glorifying this guy?????? L-M-A-O!!!!! I'll respectfully pass.

        Check out Hal Mumme's College Coaching Records, Awards and Leaderboards and more about College Football at Sports-Reference.com

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        • KevinHall
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 6857

          #5
          No doubt he could coach offense but he never heard of the word defense. The SEC soon caught up with that and if he had stayed longer he would have put up even more L's. I think this article gives him way too much credit. I think there were others before him that revolutionized football. Like Lavell Edwards and Bill Walsh. He just followed in their footsteps.
          Kentucky fan since 1971.

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          • Spiritof96
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 13503

            #6
            Originally posted by KevinHall
            No doubt he could coach offense but he never heard of the word defense. The SEC soon caught up with that and if he had stayed longer he would have put up even more L's. I think this article gives him way too much credit. I think there were others before him that revolutionized football. Like Lavell Edwards and Bill Walsh. He just followed in their footsteps.
            The SEC figured it out be halftime. Also, as soon as he didn't have a world class QB it wasn't so revolutionary.
            Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
            ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
            Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
            No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
            RIP: Charlie Munger​

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            • Joneslab
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 39604

              #7
              I think Mumme should get a little credit for building Kentucky out of the depths of the Curry era. He sort of did what Stoops is trying to do right now.

              But he was involved in Claude Bassetgate, so the end of his tenure probably looks worse than it should have. The SEC might have caught up as well.

              But the book seems to not really be about Mumme the coaching genius, but rather Mumme the part-inventor of a new style of football.

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              • Owllycat
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2015
                • 2082

                #8
                People who write the articles use their own opinions about their topic. The book does sound interesting to read, which I might. Even if his record wasnt that good, his coach style was unique by far.

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                • Old School
                  Administrator
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 2218

                  #9
                  People only remember Mumme's time with Couch, but he also took UK to a bowl game with a wholly inadequate QB named Dusty Bonner. That team was 4-4 in the SEC. That post-Couch team beat a ranked Arkansas team that went to the Cotton Bowl, in addition to LSU and South Carolina, and a pretty decent Vanderbilt team that would've gone bowling but for its loss to UK.

                  Even with Couch, he beat some SEC teams with a roster with only one player (Couch) that the opposing team would've offered a scholarship to. That isn't an exaggeration.

                  Mumme took vastly inferior rosters and played competitive games against better teams and beat some of them. He set records for offensive production. His teams didn't do well on defense, but with what he had on hand, they wouldn't have done well on defense no matter who the coach was. Many defensive coaches who coached under Mumme disciples, such as Will Muschamp, Kirby Smart and Dave Aranda, have done well.

                  Other coaches took notice and came to learn from him and his system. They still do. Acolytes like Dana Holgerson, Sonny Dykes, Neal Brown, Chris Hatcher, Mike Leach and others went on to be successful head coaches, as in turn their assistants such as Art Briles, Mark Mangino, Kliff Kingsbury did, and the third generation like Josh Heupel, Lincoln Riley and Seth Littrell might. And a lot of other schools and head coaches adopted Mumme's scheme.

                  Lots of schools run Mumme's scheme now, or a scheme developed from it. An even higher percentage of high schools do also.

                  The author of this book isn't the first one to advance the idea that Hal Mumme's innovation was very influential in college football.

                  Talk all you want about the gridiron genius of Nick Saban, Gus Malzahn or Chip Kelly. But it's Hal Mumme who brought you the game you're watching today.

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                  • johnkyblue
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 4418

                    #10
                    Originally posted by KevinHall
                    No doubt he could coach offense but he never heard of the word defense. The SEC soon caught up with that and if he had stayed longer he would have put up even more L's. I think this article gives him way too much credit. I think there were others before him that revolutionized football. Like Lavell Edwards and Bill Walsh. He just followed in their footsteps.
                    Sam Wyche too. The defense for the Outback Bowl team wasn't that bad. It gave up a lot of yards, but it would get a lot of turnovers, too.

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                    • Spiritof96
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 13503

                      #11
                      Originally posted by johnkyblue

                      Sam Wyche too. The defense for the Outback Bowl team wasn't that bad. It gave up a lot of yards, but it would get a lot of turnovers, too.
                      I was at that game watching Joe Pa kill us three points at a time. Seems like we had a NFL tackle false start 12 times cause one of their ends was absolutely working him...
                      Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
                      ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
                      Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
                      No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
                      RIP: Charlie Munger​

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                      • Lighthouse
                        Gone But Never Forgotten
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 35962

                        #12
                        If I remember correctly a comment made by one of our coaches was about how weak our kids were in comparison to Penn St. After that, it came out some our kids couldn't bench press 200 lbs.
                        John 3:3

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                        • Spiritof96
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 13503

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Lighthouse
                          If I remember correctly a comment made by one of our coaches was about how weak our kids were in comparison to Penn St. After that, it came out some our kids couldn't bench press 200 lbs.
                          I don't believe ANY UK football player EVER couldn't bench 200lbs.
                          Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
                          ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
                          Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
                          No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
                          RIP: Charlie Munger​

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                          • Matt Dillon
                            Administrator
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 49610

                            #14
                            Losing James Whalen didn't help any either.
                            Philippians 4:11-4:13

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                            • Sam K.
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 175

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Old School
                              People only remember Mumme's time with Couch, but he also took UK to a bowl game with a wholly inadequate QB named Dusty Bonner. That team was 4-4 in the SEC. That post-Couch team beat a ranked Arkansas team that went to the Cotton Bowl, in addition to LSU and South Carolina, and a pretty decent Vanderbilt team that would've gone bowling but for its loss to UK.
                              http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/sto...raid-hal-mumme
                              Old School, I think you are being quite charitable towards Hal. I believe Dusty was NOT "wholly inadequate", although I will acknowledge he lacked strength throwing the long ball. His award at Valdosta (POY, I think) along w an impressive camp with the Atlanta Falcons that drew a nice compliment from Dan Reeves bears evidence to this. As far as Hal's 4-4 record that is better that most of UK's Conference Records. However the teams he beat that year were not all that good IMO with the exception of Arkansas.
                              Eastern Division
                              #12 Florida x 7 – 1 9 – 4
                              #9 Tennessee 6 – 2 9 – 3
                              #16 Georgia 5 – 3 8 – 4
                              Kentucky 4 – 4 6 – 6
                              Vanderbilt 2 – 6 5 – 6
                              South Carolina 0 – 8 0 – 11
                              Western Division
                              #8 Alabama x$ 7 – 1 10 – 3
                              #13 Mississippi State 6 – 2 10 – 2
                              #22 Ole Miss 4 – 4 8 – 4
                              #17 Arkansas 4 – 4 8 – 4
                              Auburn 2 – 6 5 – 6
                              LSU 1 – 7 3 – 8

                              I enjoy your posts by the way.

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