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  • gerntz
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 646

    #16
    Originally posted by Spiritof96

    I don't understand your question.

    The question was asked, "Why don't we trow to the TE more?"

    I responded, because Pat goes elsewhere with the ball.

    You then replied, "Actually, he hasn't much gone out on routes but rather has blocked."

    I pointed out that he was reliably open on pass patters on Thurs. (at least three times when the ball was forced downfield for an incomplete pass)

    You then come back with the above.... ?
    I think the numbers from the game show Conrad was targeted sufficiently by Towles. Your "He was open all night on Thurs..." implied to me that you think he should have been the target every play & Towles should never look elsewhere nor should plays be designed to go elsewhere. Given what Towles did in the game, I think he made a lot of good receiver choices (two bad ones). Net, I don't get your comment about his being open all night & I still ask, what else do you want (with regard to throwing to the TE)? Get it now? I mana if 3 catches isn't enough for you, tell me how many someone open all night should get?
    Last edited by gerntz; 10-20-2015, 07:58 AM.

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    • Spiritof96
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 13503

      #17
      Originally posted by gerntz
      I think the numbers from the game show Conrad was targeted sufficiently by Towles. Your "He was open all night on Thurs..." implied to me that you think he should have been the target every play & Towles should never look elsewhere nor should plays be designed to go elsewhere. Given what Towles did in the game, I think he made a lot of good receiver choices (two bad ones). Net, I don't get your comment about his being open all night & I still ask, what else do you want (with regard to throwing to the TE)? Get it now? I mana if 3 catches isn't enough for you, tell me how many someone open all night should get?
      I don't have a pre-conceived number of how many targets the TE should get. I want the open guy to get the ball regardless of position.
      Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
      ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
      Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
      No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
      RIP: Charlie Munger​

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      • gerntz
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 646

        #18
        Originally posted by Spiritof96

        I don't have a pre-conceived number of how many targets the TE should get. I want the open guy to get the ball regardless of position.
        Well your pre-conceived number must be higher than 3 because Conrad's 3 catches clearly weren't enough for you.

        But apparently as least 33 other times - 24 catches & 6 drops & 3 overthrows - the receivers Towles chose were open. Clearly the INT & the near INT they weren't open. Net, Towles isn't as perfect as we like. So I guess of 44-24-6-2-3 Conrad's three catches = 9 other passes he didn't throw to Conrad.

        Was Conrad in game those 9 other throws? Did he go out for a pass or stay in and block? Or was he just not thrown to and open? Towles threw the ball out of bounds 3 times because he couldn't find a receiver. Was Conrad open on those three? I presume you can answer these questions since you know he wasn't throw to when open enough & should have been. Let me know.
        Last edited by gerntz; 10-20-2015, 03:16 PM.

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        • Spiritof96
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 13503

          #19
          Originally posted by gerntz
          Well your pre-conceived number must be higher than 3 because Conrad's 3 catches clearly weren't enough for you.

          But apparently as least 33 other times - 24 catches & 6 drops & 3 overthrows - the receivers Towles chose were open. Clearly the INT & the near INT they weren't open. Net, Towles isn't as perfect as we like. So I guess of 44-24-6-2-3 Conrad's three catches = 9 other passes he didn't throw to Conrad.

          Was Conrad in game those 9 other throws? Did he go out for a pass or stay in and block? Or was he just not thrown to and open? Towles threw the ball out of bounds 3 times because he couldn't find a receiver. Was Conrad open on those three? I presume you can answer these questions since you know he wasn't throw to when open enough & should have been. Let me know.
          During the UK vs AU game 2015, Conrad was WIDE open for ~10 yd gains on pass plays that were thrown to other UK players more tightly covered on at least three occasions. The results of these three plays were incompletions. Two of the three times, this occurred on third down.

          Now then, I have stated the same thing, three times, in three different ways. Hopefully that will clear up any confusion about my meaning. I will say that it seems as though you are being intentionally obtuse. I hope that is fun for you.

          Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
          ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
          Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
          No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
          RIP: Charlie Munger​

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          • VirginiaBlue
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 211

            #20
            You're going to have to cut gerntz some slack. He's still trying to figure out why 4, 5, 8, 7, 3, and 7 sums up to 34.

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            • Lighthouse
              Gone But Never Forgotten
              • Oct 2014
              • 35962

              #21
              Originally posted by VirginiaBlue
              You're going to have to cut gerntz some slack. He's still trying to figure out why 4, 5, 8, 7, 3, and 7 sums up to 34.
              .........
              John 3:3

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              • gerntz
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 646

                #22
                Originally posted by VirginiaBlue
                You're going to have to cut gerntz some slack. He's still trying to figure out why 4, 5, 8, 7, 3, and 7 sums up to 34.
                Nobody needs to cut me any slack.

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                • gerntz
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 646

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Lighthouse

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                  • gerntz
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 646

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Spiritof96

                    During the UK vs AU game 2015, Conrad was WIDE open for ~10 yd gains on pass plays that were thrown to other UK players more tightly covered on at least three occasions. The results of these three plays were incompletions. Two of the three times, this occurred on third down.

                    Now then, I have stated the same thing, three times, in three different ways. Hopefully that will clear up any confusion about my meaning. I will say that it seems as though you are being intentionally obtuse. I hope that is fun for you.
                    Finally a straight answer - even if it comes with demeaning commentary. Thanks.

                    I now know that for you, "He was open all night on Thurs...", means of 44 passes, you think Conrad was the better choice on 3 of them because you think he came open on plays before PT decided to throw to his primary receiver elsewhere. Wonderful second guessing on your part. Wow. Just wow.

                    You can kiss my sweet obtuse anytime.

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                    • Lighthouse
                      Gone But Never Forgotten
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 35962

                      #25
                      This thread is getting a bit personal and if it continues, will be closed. Play nice.
                      John 3:3

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                      • Spiritof96
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 13503

                        #26
                        Originally posted by gerntz
                        Finally a straight answer - even if it comes with demeaning commentary. Thanks.

                        I now know that for you, "He was open all night on Thurs...", means of 44 passes, you think Conrad was the better choice on 3 of them because you think he came open on plays before PT decided to throw to his primary receiver elsewhere. Wonderful second guessing on your part. Wow. Just wow.

                        You can kiss my sweet obtuse anytime.
                        The phrase "At least" allows for the possibility of more than the number that follows said phrase. In summary, out of 44 passes, Conrad was open "at least" 6 times, and was not thrown to, "at least" 3 times. 6 out of 44 is 13.6% of the time. Perhaps he was open on other pass plays that I failed to observe, ergo "at least".

                        Of the times he was out in the pattern I would bet that he was open a very high percentage, ergo "'open all night". Hyperbole is sometimes used in message forums.
                        Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
                        ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
                        Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
                        No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
                        RIP: Charlie Munger​

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                        • VirginiaBlue
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 211

                          #27
                          Originally posted by gerntz
                          Nobody needs to cut me any slack.
                          It's a joke, son, I say it's a joke.

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                          • gerntz
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 646

                            #28
                            Originally posted by VirginiaBlue
                            It's a joke, son, I say it's a joke.
                            Then look in the mirror.

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