Michigan State HC Position Open

[Spiritof96]

How exactly are they life long friends? I'm not doubting you, I just want to know the history. Are they from the same town? Are they family? Play in college together?

It was reported that they somehow met in middle school. Stayed in contact, I thought played together in college on NFL. KSR made it sound as though they were as close or closer than Marrow with Stoops.

[SBCatMan]

We will not lose this over money. You had to know that Michigan State would counter our counter. However, as the bidding gets higher and higher, money becomes less and less of a motivating factor. When the money gets this high, it Hass to come down to relationships, integrity, and quality of life. How can you put a price on the relationships he has built with the players on this team? How can you Put a price on the integrity he has developed with the BBN? There is absolutely no comparison between Lexington and East Lansing when it comes to quality of life. If we lose this, it will not be because Mitch failed to write the check. It was because Vince wanted to go.

[Brasslock]

Welcome to Big time Football! Michigan State countered our matching offer pushing the stakes higher, From what I've read it is a nice increase and will likely make him the highest paid recruiting coordinator in the country. Is he worth it? Probably. He can and has turned the recruiting landscape around when he focuses on an area. We were finally able to make some inroads in Louisville after how many years of not being able to recruit top talent there. The more successful we are the more we can expect others to come after our coaches. Michigan State has run the statistics on the importance of bringing in talented players. Michigan State has obviously made a choice to dump a lot of money into their football program to turn it around. Their first offer to their choice of a head coach was turned down. They came back to him and obviously made a second offer that included enough money in the budget to get the staff and fund the budget to turn the program around. I hope we're able to keep Vince. He's as important to our program as he is to anyone else's program.

[Matt Dillon]

There's speculation, on seaofblue, that they will probably try to poach Clinkscale as well due to his ability to recruit the Detroit area. Tucker has been quoted as saying if MSU is going to be successful they are going to have to own Detroit recruiting..

[Spiritof96]

We will not lose this over money. You had to know that Michigan State would counter our counter. However, as the bidding gets higher and higher, money becomes less and less of a motivating factor. When the money gets this high, it Hass to come down to relationships, integrity, and quality of life. How can you put a price on the relationships he has built with the players on this team? How can you Put a price on the integrity he has developed with the BBN? There is absolutely no comparison between Lexington and East Lansing when it comes to quality of life. If we lose this, it will not be because Mitch failed to write the check. It was because Vince wanted to go.

The difference between 400K and 1.2 Mil is pretty big.

[Matt Dillon]

The difference between 400K and 1.2 Mil is pretty big.

Please explain, thanks.

[Spiritof96]

Please explain, thanks.

I don't remember the exact figure but it seems like Vince was making something like 400K (maybe it was 600K) before MSU came in with a million-dollar offer. KSR had this thing about, "How could UK let it come to this by not keeping him the highest-paid non-coordinator in the SEC?" They contrasted it with how we handle Kenny Payne.

If MSU is really making a "much bigger" counteroffer in excess of a million dollars, it begs the question, can "UK be trusted in the future to pay me what I'm worth without being forced into a bidding war?".

The way I think about this sort of thing, the lost personal income over the last few years is something I would think about and the larger the gap between my current pay and the final offer, the more you can put a price on the intangibles that have been mentioned.

Maybe he doesn't think that way (I hope he doesn't) and UK and Lexington being great in all the ways they are makes the money meaningless. I hope so, I love Lexington and it would take a BIG raise for me to relocate, I pray Vince feels the same.

[Matt Dillon]

I don't remember the exact figure but it seems like Vince was making something like 400K (maybe it was 600K) before MSU came in with a million-dollar offer. KSR had this thing about, "How could UK let it come to this by not keeping him the highest-paid non-coordinator in the SEC?" They contrasted it with how we handle Kenny Payne.

If MSU is really making a "much bigger" counteroffer in excess of a million dollars, it begs the question, can "UK be trusted in the future to pay me what I'm worth without being forced into a bidding war?".

The way I think about this sort of thing, the lost personal income over the last few years is something I would think about and the larger the gap between my current pay and the final offer, the more you can put a price on the intangibles that have been mentioned.

Maybe he doesn't think that way (I hope he doesn't) and UK and Lexington being great in all the ways they are makes the money meaningless. I hope so, I love Lexington and it would take a BIG raise for me to relocate, I pray Vince feels the same.

I could be wrong, and I don't have time to look it up, but I was under the impression coach Marrow was making 625K before all this came about.

[SBCatMan]

Vince was making $625k. UK has offered $1 million. The difference between $1 million and $1.2 million is not that significant, when you consider everything else.

The real problem is the ripple effect as Vince’s salary begins to bump into that of the coordinators.

[Spiritof96]

Vince was making $625k. UK has offered $1 million. The difference between $1 million and $1.2 million is not that significant, when you consider everything else.

The real problem is the ripple effect as Vince’s salary begins to bump into that of the coordinators.

I would love to be a person that could say that $200,000 a year was "not that significant"...

Still the difference between 1 and 1.2 wasn't the point of my post.

As for other coordinators, UK should be paying in the top three SEC range for EVERY football position Coach. I could come up with a quick list of minor men's sports to dispose of to get us there if need be...

[teamchemistry15]

I wonder if the fact that he hasn't been getting paid more all along makes him question his leadership here. "If you guys are willing to pay me x, why have you been paying me y for so long?"

[DA#23]

I'm surprised we haven't heard anything yet. This is just my opinion...but at this point I think he will accept the MSU job. It's strung out too long...truly hope that isn't the case.

[SBCatMan]

Matt ... I share your concern. This has drag out for far too long. I doubt that is good news for us.

[Matt Dillon]

I'm surprised we haven't heard anything yet. This is just my opinion...but at this point I think he will accept the MSU job. It's strung out too long...truly hope that isn't the case.

There's an article, on seaofblue, stating there'll probably be an announcement sometime today.

[Matt Dillon]

He's staying! It's all over Twitter.