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  • catfaninin
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 2016

    #106
    Originally posted by Blue Heaven

    Watched with my buddy whose Son plays High Shool football. Asked him how they are taught. Head up.
    Absolutely. Each of the 8 years I played we were taught and practiced daily to form tackle. Which is head up and to the side, shoulder to the belly button. Never head down and never lead with your head.

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    • Sean
      Administrator
      • Oct 2014
      • 861

      #107
      Originally posted by catfaninin

      Absolutely. Each of the 8 years I played we were taught and practiced daily to form tackle. Which is head up and to the side, shoulder to the belly button. Never head down and never lead with your head.
      That's cool. I stand corrected and was taught wrong. Though 'to the side' when your opponent is also in movement must be tough.

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      • surveyor
        Administrator
        • Oct 2014
        • 14474

        #108
        Play without pads and helmets. That'll ingrain proper tackling technique. They execute it well in Rugby.
        Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

        Clint Eastwood

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        • Lighthouse
          Gone But Never Forgotten
          • Oct 2014
          • 35962

          #109
          Originally posted by surveyor
          Play without pads and helmets. That'll ingrain proper tackling technique. They execute it well in Rugby.
          You bring up a great point. I wonder how Rugby injuries compare to Football injuries.
          John 3:3

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          • Dwight Schrute
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 18716

            #110
            Originally posted by Lighthouse

            You bring up a great point. I wonder how Rugby injuries compare to Football injuries.
            There are far fewer concussions in Rugby, but Rugby has a bigger spinal injury problem, basically from people winding up at the bottom of a scrum.

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            • surveyor
              Administrator
              • Oct 2014
              • 14474

              #111
              Originally posted by Dwight Schrute

              There are far fewer concussions in Rugby, but Rugby has a bigger spinal injury problem, basically from people winding up at the bottom of a scrum.
              I've a friend who is a bit younger than me, retired army and played Rugby throughout his stint in the Army as well as after retiring. He's had half a dozen back surgeries (at least half of those are due to his rushing his rehab and re-injuring it). All of his surgeries were post-rugby. The injury that ended his rugby career was a broken-dislocated ankle that resulted in some permanent nerve damage.
              Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

              Clint Eastwood

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              • Dwight Schrute
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 18716

                #112
                Originally posted by surveyor

                I've a friend who is a bit younger than me, retired army and played Rugby throughout his stint in the Army as well as after retiring. He's had half a dozen back surgeries (at least half of those are due to his rushing his rehab and re-injuring it). All of his surgeries were post-rugby. The injury that ended his rugby career was a broken-dislocated ankle that resulted in some permanent nerve damage.
                The only rugby player I ever knew was a girl that was a friend of a friend my freshman year in college that played on the UK intramural squad. She once got kneed in the face and the entire left size of her eyes/forehead was purple. She also routinely seemed to be walking with a limp.

                Rugby is a similar yet drastically different sport than football though, and I'm not sure what the effect of removing pads would do.

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                • surveyor
                  Administrator
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 14474

                  #113
                  Originally posted by Dwight Schrute

                  Rugby is a similar yet drastically different sport than football though, and I'm not sure what the effect of removing pads would do.
                  IMO pads and helmets lend a false sense of protection and for years have been used moreso as weapons than self protection. I'd tend to think that one would come around to proper tackling fairly quickly absent a helmet and shoulder pads. Incidence of concussion is lower in Rugby. I've enjoyed watching Rugby for years, but still trying to get used to the rules.
                  Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

                  Clint Eastwood

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                  • Dwight Schrute
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 18716

                    #114
                    Originally posted by surveyor

                    IMO pads and helmets lend a false sense of protection and for years have been used moreso as weapons than self protection. I'd tend to think that one would come around to proper tackling fairly quickly absent a helmet and shoulder pads. Incidence of concussion is lower in Rugby. I've enjoyed watching Rugby for years, but still trying to get used to the rules.
                    Understood, I just wonder if we'd be trading one injury for another (concussions vs back/spinal cord injuries)

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                    • Spiritof96
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 13503

                      #115
                      Originally posted by Dwight Schrute

                      There are far fewer concussions in Rugby, but Rugby has a bigger spinal injury problem, basically from people winding up at the bottom of a scrum.
                      Are you sure? UK's rugby club has seems to have two or three kids concussed every game.

                      Perhaps there is a difference in pro rugby or European rugby.

                      I will grant you that the collisions in Rugby seem to be lower velocity than college or pro football. I do have a buddy that broke all the bones in his face via a rugby collision involving his face and the crown of someone's skull.
                      Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
                      ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
                      Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
                      No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
                      RIP: Charlie Munger​

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                      • Dwight Schrute
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 18716

                        #116
                        Originally posted by Spiritof96

                        Are you sure? UK's rugby club has seems to have two or three kids concussed every game.
                        Not in the least - I actually know almost nothing about Rugby. I just learned that from 5 minutes of googling and absolutely zero analysis.

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                        • Spiritof96
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 13503

                          #117
                          Originally posted by Dwight Schrute

                          Not in the least - I actually know almost nothing about Rugby. I just learned that from 5 minutes of googling and absolutely zero analysis.
                          I don't know the actual data for rugby at any level, I have just been to several UK Rugby matches and it seems that way.
                          Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
                          ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
                          Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
                          No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
                          RIP: Charlie Munger​

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                          • Dwight Schrute
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 18716

                            #118
                            Originally posted by Spiritof96

                            I don't know the actual data for rugby at any level, I have just been to several UK Rugby matches and it seems that way.
                            This is the article I read where I sourced my post: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/sh...more-dangerous

                            The helmets and padding make it easier to hit someone with force in football, but the differences in the way rugby vs football are played do as well. The system of downs, and also in rugby the fact that the ball is usually coming from in front of you make you less likely to get blindsided.

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                            • surveyor
                              Administrator
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 14474

                              #119
                              Originally posted by Dwight Schrute

                              Understood, I just wonder if we'd be trading one injury for another (concussions vs back/spinal cord injuries)
                              I've had back injuries and successful surgery. My mobility isn't what it once was (partly because I'm a few years shy of 60 now), but I think I would prefer potential physical impairment versus CTEs. It's concerning the number of football players who've had repeated concussions and have later committed suicide.
                              Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

                              Clint Eastwood

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                              • Dwight Schrute
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2014
                                • 18716

                                #120
                                Originally posted by surveyor

                                I've had back injuries and successful surgery. My mobility isn't what it once was (partly because I'm a few years shy of 60 now), but I think I would prefer potential physical impairment versus CTEs. It's concerning the number of football players who've had repeated concussions and have later committed suicide.
                                We have players with poor mobility later in life now, and they're wearing full pads so it may not a drastic difference. I will clarify that I don't know a whole lot about Rugby, but after reading the article above I wonder if the differences in the way the game is played would really make that much of a difference. American football just seems to move a lot faster with much bigger players.

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