Rule I Don't Understand

[Spiritof96]

After as many years as I wore the stripes, I can assure you I'm not thin skinned at all. I'm not saying some things about this rule don't need to be changed, but it's not going to be changed this year so we might as well get used to it. And, just because an official apply's a rule as it is written doesn't make them a bad official.

My suggestion is very valid, because if someone is so adamant about how bad officiating is, or anything else for that matter, what they need to do is try to change it for the better,and they'll never do it by sitting on the top row and yelling about it. Get down on the field, or court, as see how it really is. Fans are fans, I get that.

Last time I checked NCAA Div 1 Football officiating wasn't an open participation thing. Given the time and overhead of qualifying and the scarcity of positions, your suggestion is (with respect) absurd.

Nevermind the undesirable requirement to enforce ill-conceived, nonsensical rules. Public outcry from the top row, or twitter, or ESPN, or anywhere else is more likely to influence a rules committee, than the opinion of one rookie referee asking for change.

[Lighthouse]

Last time I checked NCAA Div 1 Football officiating wasn't an open participation thing. Given the time and overhead of qualifying and the scarcity of positions, your suggestion is (with respect) absurd.

Nevermind the undesirable requirement to enforce ill-conceived, nonsensical rules. Public outcry from the top row, or twitter, or ESPN, or anywhere else is more likely to influence a rules committee, than the opinion of one rookie referee asking for change.

Absolutely, I agree wholeheartedly. Which was my point exactly to the poster you're defending. Long before an official get's to the D1 level, they realize how much goes into qualifying at that level. Therefore any person who criticizes officials to the degree this poster has, needs only to put on a stripe shirt and see how it is at the middle school level, because they probably will never call a HS game.

[boomdaddy]

I think you need to review your posts and see a couple I edited. And you know, I've never met you and know nothing about you other than you are a Kentucky fan, I think. But reading your comments, you remind me of a boat load of fans who sit in the stands, say nothing about calls made on their opponents,but let an official point at one of their beloved's and the name calling begins. I can assure you that said officials just laughed, shook their heads, and went about their business of calling the game the best they could.

No, I don't need to review anything. I know what I said. I also stand by the fact the refs make bad calls and refuse to make them right, especially regarding the targeting calls.

[Spiritof96]

Absolutely, I agree wholeheartedly. Which was my point exactly to the poster you're defending. Long before an official get's to the D1 level, they realize how much goes into qualifying at that level. Therefore any person who criticizes officials to the degree this poster has, needs only to put on a stripe shirt and see how it is at the middle school level, because they probably will never call a HS game.

Ok fine...

Do you think the state and quality of NFL officiating is superior to that of NCAA?

[Lighthouse]

Ok fine...

Do you think the state and quality of NFL officiating is superior to that of NCAA?

I have no idea because I don't watch much NFL. I have a couple friends who work Pro games, and I would imagine it is simply because their training is more intense and unlike BB, they are the best of College Officials.

[Spiritof96]

I have no idea because I don't watch much NFL. I have a couple friends who work Pro games, and I would imagine it is simply because their training is more intense and unlike BB, they are the best of College Officials.

With the money at stake in college athletics, there is no excuse for less that nfl/nba quality and that is the standard angry fans are using.

[Lighthouse]

With the money at stake in college athletics, there is no excuse for less that nfl/nba quality and that is the standard angry fans are using.

I agree about the money, but to compare the officiating in the college game to the Pros isn't fair. In the NBA for instance, nearly all their officials have never worked a college game because they come up through their lower level leagues and call game by NBA rules from the time they begin their career, and they are full time Officials. As far as I know, there are no full time Officials working NCAA basketball games. They all have other jobs that give them the opportunity to work games.

It's a different situation in Football. Not many NFL officials are full time, although some may be, and they move up through the College ranks. They have to be in a situation where they can get to a game site the day before, and they have training meetings and watch film of prior games, and after their game, they have a meeting to go over things that happened in the game they just called.

Again, as far as I know, NCAA Football Officials are not full time, they arrive at the game site 4 hours prior to game time and have a much shorter meeting usually handled by the Referee for that game. After the game, they go home and the league will review their game and call them with any concerns.

And, the pay scale between the Pro's and NCAA Officials in any sport, isn't even close.

[Spiritof96]

I agree about the money, but to compare the officiating in the college game to the Pros isn't fair. In the NBA for instance, nearly all their officials have never worked a college game because they come up through their lower level leagues and call game by NBA rules from the time they begin their career, and they are full time Officials. As far as I know, there are no full time Officials working NCAA basketball games. They all have other jobs that give them the opportunity to work games.

It's a different situation in Football. Not many NFL officials are full time, although some may be, and they move up through the College ranks. They have to be in a situation where they can get to a game site the day before, and they have training meetings and watch film of prior games, and after their game, they have a meeting to go over things that happened in the game they just called.

Again, as far as I know, NCAA Football Officials are not full time, they arrive at the game site 4 hours prior to game time and have a much shorter meeting usually handled by the Referee for that game. After the game, they go home and the league will review their game and call them with any concerns.

And, the pay scale between the Pro's and NCAA Officials in any sport, isn't even close.

I am aware of the relative lack of investment in college officiating. The main thrust of my criticism in this thread is rules committee and pay / training support or lack-thereof.