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Huh???? This makes no sense. "only logical call"???
No way, not even close.
2 scenarios they had -
1) go for 2 = miss it and game is over, 0% chance of winning
2) kick and go to OT = more than a 0% chance of winning
How can the only logical call be to go for 2 when the game is over and there is 0% chance of wining if you don't convert?
Even if the odds of winning in OT are 10 or 15% (I think they are much higher) that is significantly better than 0%Comment
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So you're saying since the call forced a loss on UK then there was no chance to win on that call? Balderdash.
BTW - there was another comment on this thread which was about the dumbness of the onside kick and this speaks to the above 0% chance thing. If there is time left on the clock and you are within a score then any UK fan that is older than 4 knows that is incorrect to equate that to 0%.
Given the paucity of time and the fact that NU had no one back, it was the perfect call for the onside. Not real well executed but there were no brain cramps on the other Wildcats team either. Had we been able to recover we would have already been in game-winning field goal position.
Both comments, the extra point and the onside kick prompted my first remark on this thread.
BTW - I completely agree with the 100 out of 100 comment.Last edited by RV; 12-31-2017, 07:54 PM.Comment
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Still can't see how you can claim that single call forced us to lose the game ..AND that it has nothing to do with whether the play worked or not--when if the play worked we would have won. If you knew we had lost before we ran the play then please send me next week's power ball #'s as I could use some extra cash after Christmas. Personally I didn't know for sure we had lost until the ball went through the receivers hands.
Don't mean to be a smart___ but I'll ask you a question--when Johnson scored the TD and we kept the offense in to go for 2 did you leave the stadium or turn off your TV because we had lost or did you watch the last play to see what happened? Most of us still had hope at that time. Knowing moments later that we failed cannot mean it gave us no chance of winning at the time. It had everything to do with whether it worked or not. Your "hindsight is 20/20" is the very definition of Monday morning quarterbacking.
And again, I'm not in the group that thinks it's a no-brainer you go for it there. The other way may have worked better but that was FAR from guaranteed as well. That team trying to make whatever we tried NOT work was viewed as better than us by all the gurus and Vegas.Comment
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No one has pointed out that UK had all the momentum when they scored that TD. Almost everyone in that situation goes for two. It's just the right thing to do.Kentucky fan since 1971.Comment
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You also are pretending it was 100% known the play would be unsuccessful BEFORE IT WAS RUN!
How can you discount:
3)Go for 2--NOT miss it.= 0% chance of losing ???
I 100% guarantee you Stoops and Gran did NOT call the play: "Go for 2 but be sure not to get it so we can lose and go to the bars"
I understand humans are unable to change the opinions of other humans. I'm not even trying to convince anyone it was the right call. I only wish individuals would see how ridiculous it is to argue that going for 2 gave us zero chance of winning. IT COULD HAVE WORKED.Last edited by Catsrock; 12-31-2017, 10:55 PM.Comment
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I never said it had no chance of working. I said if (when) it didn’t work you had 0 chance of winning.
OT at least gave you a shot to win.
The defense had allowed 0 points in the second half and the offense scored 16....I’ll take my chances in OT over a very unlikely 2 pt conversion.
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In the end, without hindsight, it's a wash. I'd actually give the chances of winning with the 2pt at 60, and the chances of winning with the 1 at 50/50. But that's close enough to where it's almost a wash.Comment
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"Only call" is ridiculous and downright dumb to say.
This is from the NCAA's website and Elias -
Extra point conversion (kicking) in college football past 5 seasons = 98.4% success rate; Austin MacGinnis is 143/144 in extra points in his career, 99.3% accurate. He wasn't going to miss it.
2 pt conversion success rate past 5 seasons in college football = 39.8%
So, clearly going for two was not the only option, in fact it's only successful less than 40% of the time.
Additionally (from Elias), over the past 5 seasons the team that scores to force OT (either FG or TD) goes on to win in OT 64.6% of the time.
There is zero argument anyone can make that going for 2 was more likely to result in a win than kicking the extra point and going to OT.Comment
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I thought we should've tied the score but I loved the stones to go for the win.Isaiah 5:20Comment
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Look up some statistics folks If you go for it 100 out of 100 times. you will lose around 60% of your ball games. Some say they can see how I say that play lost the game. I say it because that call lost the game. Yes it could have won the game too. I think what some are getting is that you risk losing the game there on the one play. You dont have to put all your eggs in one basket. Its just not the scenario I would do it in. This is my last post on the subject because it will never end. We didnt lost to Alabama or Clemson it was Northwestern. We had a chance in OT.Comment
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