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  • SCBlu
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 1016

    #1

    So, What To Do With Our Secondary?

    We absolutely STINK in our defensive backfield, which was supposed to be one of our strengths. Currently, our passing defense is rated #116 out of 130 schools. We are giving up an average of 279 yards in passing against generally mediocre QB opponents who repetedly manage "career games" against us. What's most disappointing is that Coach Stoops' background is coaching up defensive backs. Between Coach Stoops and DB coach Clikkscales, something's got to give. Your suggestions..........
  • SBCatMan
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 1765

    #2
    While I acknowledge that our secondary has not been good, i do not agree that we have faced "generally mediocre QB opponents." With a few exceptions, most of them have been quite good. Even the EMU QB broke some kind of record last for for TD passes that was held by someone who's name escapes me but who was very good. Mizzoo and MSU and Ol Miss all had excellent QBs. The guy at USC is no slouch. The Vandy QB is very good, the freshman at UGA has improved by leaps and bounds, and then there is Jackson. The UF starter was bad, but then they bring in what's his name for 30 minutes of fame before he gets hurt and is out for the year.

    Of course, none of this is to refute your main point -- the secondary has not lived up to its hype and must do better.

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    • 40bill
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2014
      • 8451

      #3
      The secondary is a mystery. Seem to play well off the receivers. Almost like they are over thinking the position and not just going in and playing. Don't understand those missed coverages...perhaps no communication.
      seem like physically up to the job (Ol Miss receiving corps was really good).
      Just not sure. Not really sure the coaches aren't just as frustrated.

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      • Matt Dillon
        Administrator
        • Oct 2014
        • 49622

        #4
        I'm not trying to defend the secondary as they have played badly in my opinion, for the most part, this season. As they say, though, it all begins up front, both offensively and defensively. The coaching staff needs to figure out some way to get more pressure on the QB. Give the QB enough time to throw, and competent receivers, and most of the time he'll complete a high percentage of his passes.
        Philippians 4:11-4:13

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        • Spiritof96
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 13503

          #5
          Originally posted by Matt Dillon
          I'm not trying to defend the secondary as they have played badly in my opinion, for the most part, this season. As they say, though, it all begins up front, both offensively and defensively. The coaching staff needs to figure out some way to get more pressure on the QB. Give the QB enough time to throw and competent receivers, and most of the time he'll complete a high percentage of his passes.
          It has been said that no corner can cover a receiver for more than 4 seconds... So a lack of pressure is part of the issue.

          Baity has gotten burned a few times but on the whole, has played rather well. It seems West gets caught out of position quite a bit. Lonnie Johnson is tough and hits hard but has also let dudes run right by him.

          It seems like the whole secondary takes turns making costly mistakes.
          Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
          ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
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          • Blue Heaven
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 6283

            #6
            They don't turn their heads and look for the ball. This has been a problem for years now. Seemed we never had that problem when Brooks was here. Stoops came here after running a very successful defense at Florida State. We have yet to be successful.
            Isaiah 5:20

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            • 40bill
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2014
              • 8451

              #7
              I really think Matt's comment hit the nail. If you give quarterbacks time, they are going to be more efficient.
              I don't remember UK ever being highly successful with a 3-4 base. Multiple or not. Maybe I am off base on that. I know we had Archer a couple of times as DC and he had great success with that at other places.
              little late in the game to think about changing, but does anyone else remember a successful 3-4 at Kentucky?

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              • Matt Dillon
                Administrator
                • Oct 2014
                • 49622

                #8
                Originally posted by Blue Heaven
                They don't turn their heads and look for the ball. This has been a problem for years now. Seemed we never had that problem when Brooks was here. Stoops came here after running a very successful defense at Florida State. We have yet to be successful.
                Part of coach Stoops success, at Florida St., was probably directly attributable to the caliber of athletes he had to work with there.
                Philippians 4:11-4:13

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                • Matt Dillon
                  Administrator
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 49622

                  #9
                  Originally posted by 40bill
                  I really think Matt's comment hit the nail. If you give quarterbacks time, they are going to be more efficient.
                  I don't remember UK ever being highly successful with a 3-4 base. Multiple or not. Maybe I am off base on that. I know we had Archer a couple of times as DC and he had great success with that at other places.
                  little late in the game to think about changing, but does anyone else remember a successful 3-4 at Kentucky?
                  I agree, Bill. I've never liked the 3-4 def. I wish they would begin recruiting players for the 4-3 and return to it as soon as possible.
                  Philippians 4:11-4:13

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                  • 40bill
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2014
                    • 8451

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Matt Dillon

                    Part of coach Stoops success, at Florida St., was probably directly attributable to the caliber of athletes he had to work with there.
                    Boom. Bang. Zap. And all those old.Batman inserts.

                    YES.....our recruiting and quality of athlete is highest in decades. We are up to about number 8 or number ten in our league.
                    Thats part of the SEC double edged sword. You can be in the top thirty of the NATION in recruiting and STILL be on the lower end of the conference.

                    Then again, if we aren't in that conference, we likely don't get those players.

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                    • Blue Heaven
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 6283

                      #11
                      True, but I have seen better DB play in teams not as talented as we are. Sure the athletes would help but the fundamentals are terrible.
                      Isaiah 5:20

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                      • Catsrock
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 5561

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Blue Heaven
                        They don't turn their heads and look for the ball. This has been a problem for years now. Seemed we never had that problem when Brooks was here. Stoops came here after running a very successful defense at Florida State. We have yet to be successful.
                        This goes back to my childhood. Was better during Brooks' tenure but going back to Claiborne days the "wide tackle 6" was a stout defense but at the end our good opponents always found a receiver while the DB played the player and not the ball.

                        This ruined many a good upset bid.

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                        • SCBlu
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 1016

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Matt Dillon

                          Part of coach Stoops success, at Florida St., was probably directly attributable to the caliber of athletes he had to work with there.
                          Agree, but someone's not coaching up these DB's. Currently, they are not SEC caliber.
                          Last edited by SCBlu; 11-10-2017, 05:45 PM.

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                          • Lighthouse
                            Gone But Never Forgotten
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 35962

                            #14
                            Well, I'm going to cheer for them and hope they get an int. tomorrow. GO CATS!!
                            John 3:3

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                            • bigblue4life
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 374

                              #15
                              When Dawson was let go after the 2015 season, Stoops definitely upgraded when he brought in Gran as OC. I was hoping the defense would improve this season with the change in DC. Obviously the D hasn’t improved, certainly not in the secondary. When this season is over, Stoops needs to think long and hard about the defensive staff, schemes, etc, because what’s being done isn’t working.

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