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  • KCKUKFan
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2014
    • 14228

    #31
    We beat UCLA by 20 points Saturday. Chalk it up.

    As for last night's game, there's not much to say other than "whoa."

    Malik Monk's no look pass falling out of bounds was one of the best basketball plays I've ever seen in my life. And I've watched a lot of basketball.

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    • J.Jennings
      Banned
      • Oct 2014
      • 7005

      #32
      Originally posted by teamchemistry15

      I think you forgot who you are talking to. According to Jworld Wall is the best PG Cal ever had because he's got the most success in the NBA. What they actually did in college doesn't mean much.

      Cal's point guards, IMO, go as follows:

      Ulis
      Wall
      Andrew in his second year
      Knight
      Teague
      Aaron in his first year
      Harrow

      Fox definitely has the potential to shoot right to the top of the list and at worst he'll be right behind Ulis. But if he keeps this pace and starts hitting those open jumpers he'll probably end up as the second best player Cal has ever coached.
      Actually, Wall hasn't had much success in the NBA. Not sure if it's the talent around him, the coaching carousel, or nagging injuries for the most part.

      I understand the flaws of Wall his freshman year but Ulis,Teague, Andrew, Knight, and Fox (shooting), all had/have minor flaws and problems. Can you imagine if Wall didn't have to wait on Cousins to get up and down the floor? We all like Fox and Monk but what about Wall and Meeks, could of should of happened in my opinion though Meeks would have been the SF on that team.

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      • Joneslab
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 39604

        #33
        Originally posted by J.Jennings
        Can you imagine if Wall didn't have to wait on Cousins to get up and down the floor?
        This has gone through my mind as well, to be honest.

        This team can fly at all positions. It doesn't have the offensive skill at the 5 that Cousins brought, but Bam remains highly effective with the way he'll chase balls. (If teams can get us into a halfcourt game, we'll need to see more of Bam's offense.)

        But the issue with Wall running like these guys is the turnovers. He pretty much negated them with all the other things he did well, but if we're looking at Fox vs. Wall then turnovers is an issue that Fox doesn't struggle with. I think he's also a better defender; much more like Rondo in that regard.

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        • KevinHall
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 6857

          #34
          Originally posted by Will Lavender
          Fletcher Page‏@FletcherPage 15m15 minutes agoJust talked with UK spokesman at the airport about De'Aaron Fox's triple double in question. "We're working on it." Nothing official.
          You know recording assists is highly subjective. Some are obvious but quite a few aren't. It would have be very blatant to take one away. If they take it away this is rigged! (To quote a popular phrase)
          Kentucky fan since 1971.

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          • Joneslab
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 39604

            #35
            Rob Dauster, the guy who told us that Jamal Murray may hurt last year's team, was the guy tweeting out a lot of the stuff re: Fox's assists this morning.

            Matt Jones is now on Twitter ripping Dauster for picking UK's backcourt the sixth best in the country.

            Yes, sixth.

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            • teamchemistry15
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 7022

              #36
              Originally posted by J.Jennings

              Actually, Wall hasn't had much success in the NBA. Not sure if it's the talent around him, the coaching carousel, or nagging injuries for the most part.

              I understand the flaws of Wall his freshman year but Ulis,Teague, Andrew, Knight, and Fox (shooting), all had/have minor flaws and problems. Can you imagine if Wall didn't have to wait on Cousins to get up and down the floor? We all like Fox and Monk but what about Wall and Meeks, could of should of happened in my opinion though Meeks would have been the SF on that team.
              I believe he's the all time assists leader for the wizards. That's pretty successful.

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              • KCKUKFan
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2014
                • 14228

                #37
                Originally posted by Will Lavender
                Rob Dauster, the guy who told us that Jamal Murray may hurt last year's team, was the guy tweeting out a lot of the stuff re: Fox's assists this morning.

                Matt Jones is now on Twitter ripping Dauster for picking UK's backcourt the sixth best in the country.

                Yes, sixth.
                Sounds like Rob Dauster is a Louisville fan.

                How could anybody... ANYBODY... watch these first seven games and say that Kentucky's backcourt is the sixth best in the nation?

                It might be the best backcourt since Cal's been here. And that's not exactly a light compliment.

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                • KCKUKFan
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2014
                  • 14228

                  #38
                  Originally posted by J.Jennings

                  Actually, Wall hasn't had much success in the NBA.
                  Don't know how much NBA you watch, but Wall has had a lot of success in the NBA, at least individually.

                  It's not his fault that Washington is a trash franchise that can't surround him with a good team. He's consistently one of the top performing point guards in the league and has been for a long time.

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                  • J.Jennings
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 7005

                    #39
                    Originally posted by teamchemistry15

                    I believe he's the all time assists leader for the wizards. That's pretty successful.
                    Well let's hope he doesn't end up like Stockton, Malone, Barkley, etc.


                    Statistically, Wall is having his best season ever this year. Just hope he can stay healthy and get traded to a power team. I am sick and tired of all these good Cal players getting stuck on these garbage NBA franchises. Kentucky players need to start forming there own big 3's and 4's like everyone else does. Hate to see Wall, Cousins, and Davis stuck In bad situation. Towns is actually very looking, Minnesota could be the new Golden State Warriors in a short period of time.....
                    Last edited by J.Jennings; 11-29-2016, 04:26 PM.

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                    • J.Jennings
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 7005

                      #40
                      Originally posted by KCKUKFan

                      Don't know how much NBA you watch, but Wall has had a lot of success in the NBA, at least individually.

                      It's not his fault that Washington is a trash franchise that can't surround him with a good team. He's consistently one of the top performing point guards in the league and has been for a long time.
                      Of course he has but it's a known fact him and Beal don't gel all the time and yes the franchise is flat out garbage. In the span of a page of post on here, I just didn't flip flop that Wall was the best UK point guard Cal has ever had to him being garbage now. In fact, it's great that I. Thomas of Boston is like 7th in the league in scoring this year which means his stock is at a all time high, which means that Danny Ainge can sucker the Wizards into trading Wall to Boston. In my opinion, Wall is right there with Westbrook and Irving, better than Paul. Put Wall with Lebron or Durant and it's a entirely different situation for John Wall. Hell, I am for a Wall and Cousins reunion in Boston................

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                      • Joneslab
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 39604

                        #41
                        Originally posted by J.Jennings

                        Well let's hope he doesn't end up like Stockton, Malone, Barkley, etc......
                        Yeah, I can't imagine being in the company of those bums.

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                        • J.Jennings
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 7005

                          #42
                          Originally posted by KCKUKFan

                          Sounds like Rob Dauster is a Louisville fan.

                          How could anybody... ANYBODY... watch these first seven games and say that Kentucky's backcourt is the sixth best in the nation?

                          It might be the best backcourt since Cal's been here. And that's not exactly a light compliment.

                          I am just going to put it out there, this man smoking to much dope, period!!!!!!!!!!!

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                          • J.Jennings
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 7005

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Will Lavender

                            Yeah, I can't imagine being in the company of those bums.
                            And being reminded everyday that they were never good enough to win a title. Throw Reggie Miller in that class as well.

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                            • J.Jennings
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 7005

                              #44
                              When Cal does leave Kentucky and if he does decide to go back to the NBA one more time, I want him to gather up all his kids on one squad and battle in the NBA. We used to have conversations about a "ALL KENTUCKY" team back in the day in the hay days of Prince, Mashburn, etc. You put this young crop of players together and Golden State and Cleveland got problems...


                              Imagine a starting 5 of Wall, Booker, Davis, Towns and Cousins. Davis is versatile enough to play the 3 in my opinion...
                              Last edited by J.Jennings; 11-29-2016, 04:36 PM.

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                              • Blue Heaven
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2014
                                • 6283

                                #45
                                Originally posted by KevinHall

                                You know recording assists is highly subjective. Some are obvious but quite a few aren't. It would have be very blatant to take one away. If they take it away this is rigged! (To quote a popular phrase)
                                It was obvious the play in question wasn't an assist. Still, the way that sportscenter anchor was carrying on about it last night was making me a little angry.
                                Isaiah 5:20

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