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  • Joneslab
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 39604

    #1

    The Good, The Bad, The Ugly: Michigan State Edition

    The Good

    * Isaiah Briscoe dominated the kid who was trying to guard him. It was just painful to watch for the most part. I know it's early, but Briscoe has positioned himself as one of the best players in the country. Maybe the best close-to-the-basket scoring guard Kentucky has had with Cal, and that's saying a whole lot.

    * The team defense. After two games where Kentucky couldn't guard anybody, the defense ratcheted up and really made it hard for Michigan St. to do anything. There were long movements in this game where they couldn't even get a clean shot. Really impressive to watch and it's the area where UK can be a title contender.

    * Malik Monk. I've thought Monk was in for a huge game, and we saw it last night. Unfortunately he's the kind of player who will follow a 7 threes game with an epic struggle from outside because he's just that kind of streaky, but on the big stage he showed who he can be.

    * How easy the game was. Just very little pushback from a team full of athletes that's incredibly well-coached. I don't think Michigan St. is a juggernaut or anything, but we made that game look like a breeze. Surprising this early in the season.

    * Wenyen Gabriel's second half. He was in on everything. Loose balls. Tough rebounds. He got in passing lanes. He continues for me to be the most intriguing player on this team, and for the first time this year he had a definite hand in how we won that game. We're just touching this guy's potential.

    * Bam defensively on Miles Bridges. Bridges came in off a massive game against Arizona, and for long stretches Cal put Bam on him. And Bam was great: I can't remember a single play where Bridges scored on the big guy. The team defense was spectacular but the gameplan Cal drew up for Bridges was particularly special.

    * De'Aaron Fox at the free throw line. Fox had a strange game in that he followed tremendous moments with futility, but he continues to be flawless at the line. Not sure what the disconnect is between his jumper and free throws, but something is going on when he decides to take an outside shot.

    * After Duke's loss, Kentucky should be the #1 in America come Monday morning. Always a good feeling.

    The Bad

    * De'Aaron Fox from the perimeter. Hide the children. I don't see him ever being more than adequate out there, but if he becomes like Briscoe was last year then it's going to be very hard for him to be an elite point guard. Even John Wall could keep the defense on its toes.

    * The last four minutes of the first half. Kentucky is flailing in these games at the end of the half. Much of that was foul trouble, but we just stopped executing. That could have easily been a 20-point game at halftime had we played all the way through.

    * The rebounding. We continue to be a mediocre rebounding team. Without Gabriel's effort in the last 10 minutes it would have been much worse than +4 for MSU. And each team we've played is significantly smaller.

    * Bam's continuing foul trouble. We've talked about this before, but the wrestling matches he wants to get in have to stop.

    * Derek Willis's 1 shot attempt. The player we saw last year has astonishingly disappeared.

    The Ugly

    * For the first time this year we got a look at Calipari's stall offense late in the game. I'm not sure why he goes to that so early, but clearly he'll never stop. Never seen a coach who so desperately wants players to just grind it out. He's done it every year at UK and every year we're awful at it. College players can't execute at that level. They need to just continue doing what they do when they have a lead late. Duke showed what can happen in this sport when you try and get cute with the lead late in games.

    * Isaac Humphries' inability to squeeze the basketball. Isaac did some decent things, but he's got to be better at holding on to the ball. Had it knocked and raked away repeatedly in that game.

    * Tom Izzo's style of play. The "burn-the-shot-clock-until-it's-under-five-and-then-go" style is an old Izzo staple, and it's clear why he did it with the speed of our team...but man. That was rough to watch.

    * The McQuaid kid trying to guard Briscoe. I mentioned this above, but . I would assume there were some nightmares on Sparty's trip home.
    Last edited by Joneslab; 11-16-2016, 08:39 AM.
  • George
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 10355

    #2
    Originally posted by Will Lavender
    After Duke's loss, Kentucky should be the #1 in America come Monday morning. Always a good feeling.
    Mark my words: when we lose that #1 ranking - and we inevitably will - we won't get such a forgiving headline.
    Mike Krzyzewski, missing some key players, says this will be good for the Devils.

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    • DA#23
      Administrator
      • Oct 2014
      • 7342

      #3
      I'm not going to whine about Monk's shooting performance, but as DVZ said, that's not the style of play I imagined for him. If they're falling then it's a blessing. When they're not falling though, I hope to see the effort to stuff the rest of the stat sheet. He's by FAR the most athletic guard to ever play here when you simply go by the measurements. His lack of strength will keep him from doing some Bledsoe things, but otherwise dear goodness he's mind boggling.

      So if the shots aren't splashing, Malik, make 'em eat they feet!

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      • Joneslab
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 39604

        #4
        ^ No joke about the Duke headline.

        Giles is the player that is crucial for them to go from very good to unstoppable.

        But the question with Giles is not just whether he can be 100%, but whether he'll play at all. Bilas seemed to think so last night, but Jay Williams did everything short of imploring him never to step on the floor.

        I don't think Bolden is much of an upgrade over Jeter except that he will give them post depth. Tatum has the potential to be a dynamic scorer, but he's a gun. Not sure how much more he can give than Kennard gave last night.

        But Giles is the one who, if he's the player I saw in high school, could turn them into a force.

        With all that said depth is overrated in this sport. You can only play five guys.

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        • BobS
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2014
          • 1291

          #5
          Agree with all that, especially the grind it out stuff by us. It quietly infuriate me now since I am used to it. It's maddening really. We ran MSU to death. Even with our piss poor shooting, we have them beat down to nothing. Then we SLOOOOOOW it down for 4-5 minutes.

          I predict Willis is not long for the starting lineup. Even Gabriel takes more outside shots than him. Really disappointing because I don't think we go all the way without Willis hitting shots.

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          • KCKUKFan
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2014
            • 14228

            #6
            I don't think Giles will ever play for Duke.

            I could be wrong and he could be out there next week, but he's had too many devastating injuries and too much is on the line.

            What do you think was going through Giles' mind when Grayson Allen's knee buckled last night?



            ... "Aw, hell no."

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            • KevinHall
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 6857

              #7
              Originally posted by Will Lavender
              ^ No joke about the Duke headline.

              Giles is the player that is crucial for them to go from very good to unstoppable.

              But the question with Giles is not just whether he can be 100%, but whether he'll play at all. Bilas seemed to think so last night, but Jay Williams did everything short of imploring him never to step on the floor.

              I don't think Bolden is much of an upgrade over Jeter except that he will give them post depth. Tatum has the potential to be a dynamic scorer, but he's a gun. Not sure how much more he can give than Kennard gave last night.

              But Giles is the one who, if he's the player I saw in high school, could turn them into a force.

              With all that said depth is overrated in this sport. You can only play five guys.
              That was an interesting discussion by the Game Day crew. Greenberg and Williams basically didn't want him to play. I think Bilas was saying if the kid really loves to play he will play. I agree with him on that and if I were a pro scout, if he were healthy enough to play and didn't I would question his real love for the game. May not mean I wouldn't draft him but it would give me pause before hand.
              Kentucky fan since 1971.

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              • Lighthouse
                Gone But Never Forgotten
                • Oct 2014
                • 35962

                #8
                Everybody seems to be Ga-Ga over Grayson Allen, and I've never been impressed by him. What am I missing?
                John 3:3

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                • Joneslab
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 39604

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Lighthouse
                  Everybody seems to be Ga-Ga over Grayson Allen, and I've never been impressed by him. What am I missing?
                  He plays really hard. Constant movement off the ball. He pretty much has to with his frame, because if he didn't play that hard he wouldn't be able to do much of anything.

                  I think he's a very good player...against certain teams. If you put an athlete on him or a physical guy he struggles.

                  He's not even close to the player Jay Bilas tried to make him out to be last night and he will never play NBA basketball except for maybe a cup of coffee. Too small, too slight.

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                  • Lighthouse
                    Gone But Never Forgotten
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 35962

                    #10
                    Thanks Will. I think you just confirmed what I see.
                    John 3:3

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                    • Joneslab
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 39604

                      #11
                      Regarding the #1 ranking...

                      Jeff Goodman says on Twitter that Indiana should be considered for #1.

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                      • KCKUKFan
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2014
                        • 14228

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Will Lavender
                        Regarding the #1 ranking...

                        Jeff Goodman says on Twitter that Indiana should be considered for #1.
                        Troll. His name should be banned from conversation.

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                        • KevinHall
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 6857

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Will Lavender

                          He plays really hard. Constant movement off the ball. He pretty much has to with his frame, because if he didn't play that hard he wouldn't be able to do much of anything.

                          I think he's a very good player...against certain teams. If you put an athlete on him or a physical guy he struggles.

                          He's not even close to the player Jay Bilas tried to make him out to be last night and he will never play NBA basketball except for maybe a cup of coffee. Too small, too slight.
                          That's what I have seen too. UK totally took him out of the game last year. He's a good college player but never be a big time player in the pros. Most likely a ten day contract guy.
                          Kentucky fan since 1971.

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                          • catfaninin
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 2016

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Lighthouse
                            Everybody seems to be Ga-Ga over Grayson Allen, and I've never been impressed by him. What am I missing?
                            He is really good with his feet?

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                            • George
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 10355

                              #15
                              Originally posted by catfaninin

                              He is really good with his feet?
                              That's what she said.

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