Braydon Hawthorne and Redshirting rules

[Trueblujr]

I know he's technically redshirting and I think they were toying with playing him at some point, hopefully not, unless he can make a significant contribution. But my question is why is it that football players can play in up to 4 games (and the coaches are trying to get that extended to NINE games), yet the moment a kid steps foot on the basketball court in a game, their redshirt is burned? Seems to me that if football players get a certain number of games to retain a redshirt, that basketball should as well. If football players get a third of the regular season, then basketball should get around 9-10 games themselves. Just a dumb rule if you aske me.

[bthaunert]

It's a dumb rule and should be a percentage of games. The current rule in college football is basically 1/3 of the regular season games or less. Same should be for basketball, so they would get to play in 10 games.

[Catsrock]

Dumb rule for sure. The explanation—it’s the NCAA

[WeWant9]

Just give it a little time and they'll be able to play every game and still redshirt. If the NCAA says anything, threaten to sue. I mean, they just let a guy come back to Bama who played 3 seasons in the G-league.

[Trueblujr]

Just give it a little time and they'll be able to play every game and still redshirt. If the NCAA says anything, threaten to sue. I mean, they just let a guy come back to Bama who played 3 seasons in the G-league.

Yeah, It's rather ridiculous to let these G-League guys come in. I'm not opposed to letting undrafted guys return if they left early for the draft, but that has to be a decision made immediately after the draft, not two years later when you're slumming in the G-League. I think these guys think they can get a NIL deal bigger than their G-League pay if they get to go back to college. That's what sucks about this new era.

[bucsrule8872]

Terrible rule. Should be the same across all athletics. Should be a percentage of games. If football redshirts can play in four games (about 1/3 of the regular season), then the same should be true for basketball, it should be 10 games (about 1/3 of the regular season).

[Catsrock]

Anyway—with another injury tonight seems like time to burn Hawthorne’s redshirt. It sure how much he may be ready to help. JT we’re gunna need bodies and fouls.

[bucsrule8872]

Anyway—with another injury tonight seems like time to burn Hawthorne’s redshirt. It sure how much he may be ready to help. JT we’re gunna need bodies and fouls.

Should be up to the kid and his family.

The kid has already invested 3 months in a redshirt, I would hate to ask him to waste an entire year for two months of playing 4-5 minutes a game.

Now if the kid decides on his own that he wants to play, that’s on him and his family.

I’m telling my son to stick to the original plan and stay the course on the redshirt.

If he was a real difference maker at this point in his career, I doubt he would have even entertained a redshirt.

I think at this point, play DA, OO, CC, and JJ at the 1-3 with Noah getting 1-2 minutes a half at the 3. That’s the rotation. I don’t think throwing another Freshman in the mix is going to help.

I think that’s the guard rotation with MD, MM, AJ, and BG being the rotation at the 4-5.

Most teams use a 8 man rotation, so we are fine. CC need to step up and play the whole game like he ends them and JJ needs to play like the 5-star recruit that he is. They step up and we are going to be fine.

[Catsrock]

Should be up to the kid and his family.

The kid has already invested 3 months in a redshirt, I would hate to ask him to waste an entire year for two months of playing 4-5 minutes a game.

Now if the kid decides on his own that he wants to play, that’s on him and his family.

I’m telling my son to stick to the original plan and stay the course on the redshirt.

If he was a real difference maker at this point in his career, I doubt he would have even entertained a redshirt.

I think at this point, play DA, OO, CC, and JJ at the 1-3 with Noah getting 1-2 minutes a half at the 3. That’s the rotation. I don’t think throwing another Freshman in the mix is going to help.

I think that’s the guard rotation with MD, MM, AJ, and BG being the rotation at the 4-5.

Most teams use a 8 man rotation, so we are fine. CC need to step up and play the whole game like he ends them and JJ needs to play like the 5-star recruit that he is. They step up and we are going to be fine.

Yes it should be up to him and his family. But by all reports he is the 2nd biggest pro prospect on the team (behind JQ). If he’s that caliber a player then he’s not likely planning a 5 year college career. Which would render the redshirt a moot point. If he’s highly skilled and just needs to out on some pounds and get stronger that probably won’t take 5 years.

And although the family’s opinions should matter—I hope Pope is telling kids and their handlers that they can redshirt if they want to and if things work out that way, BUT if they are going to be here cashing their checks—they gotta play if needed. Just seems a fair part of the deal in the NIL era in my opinion. Which means nothing to anyone in the business.

Related point—when Calipari arrived and started telling kids to find other homes because he was bringing in better players, it was nice we were finally getting better players, but it felt a little dirty to me to kick kids off scholarship. but that was a different era. Now with the money the kids are being payed I say the schools have every right to treat it as one year contracts.

Lowe may become a perfect example. He was brought in with a bum shoulder. It didn’t work out. Clearly was not money well spent. IF Pope needs him next year, fine, pay him again. But if he can bring in someone (actually 2) better—then thank him for his efforts and move on. Donors don’t keep donating if they don’t get a return on investment.

[WeWant9]

There certainly seemed like a two year plan was built between Hawthorne and the staff. This injury to Williams does make it intriguing to bring him in, but we don't know what he is looking like at practice. It would be tough to drop a freshman right into SEC play. I kind of feel like if he was absolutely killing it in practice, we would be hearing about it.

[Trueblujr]

There certainly seemed like a two year plan was built between Hawthorne and the staff. This injury to Williams does make it intriguing to bring him in, but we don't know what he is looking like at practice. It would be tough to drop a freshman right into SEC play. I kind of feel like if he was absolutely killing it in practice, we would be hearing about it.

There was an article I read that came out between Christmas and New year about whether or not they would burn his redshirt. Pope said in the article that he was looking really really good in practice, but that they wouldn't consider it unless they thought he could be a major contributor. They didn't want to throw him in for three minutes and burn his redshirt. My opinion was that I didn't think he was considered a four year player anyway, maybe a 2-3 year guy, that he had some Pro prospects if he could bulk up some. They compared him to Tayshaun Prince. So my point is why not? But I think Pope would have to have serious discussions with him and his family before playing him. I know Pope embellishes on every player, but if he's to be believed, he's handling himself well in practice.

[WeWant9]

There was an article I read that came out between Christmas and New year about whether or not they would burn his redshirt. Pope said in the article that he was looking really really good in practice, but that they wouldn't consider it unless they thought he could be a major contributor. They didn't want to throw him in for three minutes and burn his redshirt. My opinion was that I didn't think he was considered a four year player anyway, maybe a 2-3 year guy, that he had some Pro prospects if he could bulk up some. They compared him to Tayshaun Prince. So my point is why not? But I think Pope would have to have serious discussions with him and his family before playing him. I know Pope embellishes on every player, but if he's to be believed, he's handling himself well in practice.

I missed that one, but that is good to hear. I get both sides of the argument. The injury to Williams puts a wrinkle in it. I would hate to throw a kid into the fire of SEC play and have him lose confidence, but if the staff thinks he could contribute- go ahead and break the glass and burn the redshirt. In this era I doubt many kids stick around at the same school for 4 years anyways.

[Jload]

If he can help the team by playing then he should play. If not continue the red shirt. I do not agree that it should be his and familes decision. He is a member of UK's basketball team, barring health issues the teams needs should come first.

[Los Gatos]

Yes but. If a promise was made during the recruiting process, I believe the coach should honor the agreement he made.

[Sean]

If he can help the team by playing then he should play. If not continue the red shirt. I do not agree that it should be his and familes decision. He is a member of UK's basketball team, barring health issues the teams needs should come first.

Immediate need vs future need should be weighed carefully.