Hawthorn

[OscarFan]

Does anyone know why Hawthorn did not play last night?

[CrimsonCats]

It hasn’t been officially confirmed that I know of, but since he’s not been mentioned as injured and couldn’t get even token minutes last night in game that Horn and Tow entered, that’s a pretty strong indication to me that we’re planning on this being a redshirt year.

[Pobilly]

Dont know but most likely going to be a red-shirt for him. Just too deep at his position.

[Pete Hogwallop]

I didn't think teams did redshirts very often anymore.

[ganner918]

I didn't think teams did redshirts very often anymore.

Might be a different calculus now. Used to be, you wanted to play right away and as quickly as possible go pro (NBA or otherwise) to start earning money and maximize your number of years you can get paid to play. Now, your biggest paycheck may come during college. Why play 2 minutes per game as a freshman and lose a year of eligibility when you can sit, and get another year at the end of your career when you can probably get your biggest paycheck?

From a team perspective, it also makes sense to get a 5th year out of a guy rather than token minutes as a freshman.

[SportsFan]

I believe a lot of people have an incorrect idea regarding redshirting. Once the season starts a player is ineligible to redshirt, unless they suffer a season ending injury early on. If Hawthorne or Potter were going to redshirt, they would already have been listed as a redshirt.


https://keystonesports.com/what-does...aiver%E2%80%9D.

[Pete Hogwallop]

Might be a different calculus now. Used to be, you wanted to play right away and as quickly as possible go pro (NBA or otherwise) to start earning money and maximize your number of years you can get paid to play. Now, your biggest paycheck may come during college. Why play 2 minutes per game as a freshman and lose a year of eligibility when you can sit, and get another year at the end of your career when you can probably get your biggest paycheck?

From a team perspective, it also makes sense to get a 5th year out of a guy rather than token minutes as a freshman.

True. On the flipside, how do Hawthorne's NIL supporters feel about writing him checks for this season when he won't be on the floor? Maybe they don't care.

[WeWant9]

I don't remember the exact quote, but when he signed he said something along the lines of year 1 being used to acclimate him to college and really get him ready for year 2, but he would be ready to go if needed in year 1. If I had to guess, the staff might not feel he is ready and there is a long list of guys ahead of him.

[Catsrock]

I believe a lot of people have an incorrect idea regarding redshirting. Once the season starts a player is ineligible to redshirt, unless they suffer a season ending injury early on. If Hawthorne or Potter were going to redshirt, they would already have been listed as a redshirt.


https://keystonesports.com/what-does-redshirt-mean-in-college-sports/#:~:text=For%20a%20regular%20redshirt%2C%20the,a%2 0%E2%80%9Cmedical%20hardship%20waiver%E2%80%9D.

This is from the source you attached:

You don’t need to submit paperwork to the NCAA for a regular redshirt—just not playing in games for a full season is enough.

He hasn’t played in a game yet, so he could redshirt. Doesn’t have to tell the NCAA, media or anyone else he’s redshirting, just don’t play and he still has 4 years eligibility left.

[SportsFan]

I guess all the injuries we suffered last year and the start with injuries that we're having this year hasn't deterred people from wanting to throw away perfectly healthy bodies. There's no need to throw away insurance policies simply because their not seeing enough playing time to keep their egos happy. Go ahead, place Hawthorne on redshirt and then lose Williams for the year due to injury and have Noah miss several games to injury and see how much you're loving having a perfectly healthy athlete who could have helped ineligible because he's been redshirted.

[Catsrock]

Again…he doesn’t have to be labeled a redshirt. He could be put in a game any time if needed. If the end of the season rolls around and he hasn’t played—then it was a redshirt season. There’s nothing ineligible about it.

[SportsFan]

Yes, the rules currently allow for someone who hasn't played to be eligible to be redshirted... I'm just not sure it allows for the entire season to pass and come to a conclusion. But IF....by the end of the year he hasn't played and the University and Hawthorne both agree to count it as a redshirt year and the NCAA allows it, then fine...so be it. No harm no foul. The thing is, that last post was THE VERY FIRST TIME that ANYBODY has mentioned, hinted or even suggested that he be redshirted "after the fact" (I.e. - once the season has ended).

[Los Gatos]

But IF....by the end of the year he hasn't played then he has redshirted. The university and Hawthorne don't have any say, he has redshirted, period end of discussion. Hawthorne may choose to never use the year of eligibility or the university may choose to not renew his scholarship but he has still redshirted.

[EKYCat]

I guess all the injuries we suffered last year and the start with injuries that we're having this year hasn't deterred people from wanting to throw away perfectly healthy bodies. There's no need to throw away insurance policies simply because their not seeing enough playing time to keep their egos happy. Go ahead, place Hawthorne on redshirt and then lose Williams for the year due to injury and have Noah miss several games to injury and see how much you're loving having a perfectly healthy athlete who could have helped ineligible because he's been redshirted.

If it comes to the point where he's needed they throw him in and burn his redshirt. On the flip side, why waste a year of eligibility if a guy is going to get zero playing time?

[ganner918]

I believe a lot of people have an incorrect idea regarding redshirting. Once the season starts a player is ineligible to redshirt, unless they suffer a season ending injury early on. If Hawthorne or Potter were going to redshirt, they would already have been listed as a redshirt.


https://keystonesports.com/what-does...aiver%E2%80%9D.

Well part of your statement is accurate - a lot of people DO have an incorrect idea of what redshirting is. There's no formal process, no declaring a redshirt ahead of time, or needing to apply for a redshirt after the fact. You get 4 seasons of eligibility, and 5 years to use them in (of course, the exceptions to this grow more numerous every year). But, if you play even 1 minute in 1 game, you've used the year of eligibility. If you do not play at all, you've redshirted. It's that simple. We can intend to redshirt Hawthorne, and if a bunch of injuries happen, we can just put him in a game and he'll no longer be redshirting.