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  • TrueblueCATfan
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 17242

    #76
    I like to drink a beer or two every now and then.....or maybe a drink out eating dinner but I actually know people who think they can't have a good time unless they are drinking

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    • Spiritof96
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 13503

      #77
      Originally posted by Lighthouse

      Please please explain to me how my stance on alcohol is forcing someone to not partake. This world is a mess because none of us can abide by 10 suggestions in the Old Testament. God leaves our decisions up to each of us and even then provides us with a way to be forgiven and spend eternity with Him. He doesn't force Himself on anybody and neither do I.
      When you support the position that UK should continue to disallow alcohol sales during games, you are literally supporting a position that would see a central authority (UK) "force an attendee not to partake. (legally)." Your preference is that UK control or force anti-drinking behavior during the game.
      Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
      ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
      Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
      No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
      RIP: Charlie Munger​

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      • Dwight Schrute
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 18716

        #78
        Originally posted by Lighthouse

        Please please explain to me how my stance on alcohol is forcing someone to not partake. This world is a mess because none of us can abide by 10 suggestions in the Old Testament. God leaves our decisions up to each of us and even then provides us with a way to be forgiven and spend eternity with Him. He doesn't force Himself on anybody and neither do I.
        So the New Testament didn't happen? You're just going to ignore Spirit's points about Jesus drinking Wine? Which of the Ten Commandments covers drinking alcohol?

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        • Lighthouse
          Gone But Never Forgotten
          • Oct 2014
          • 35962

          #79
          Originally posted by Spiritof96

          When you support the position that UK should continue to disallow alcohol sales during games, you are literally supporting a position that would see a central authority (UK) "force an attendee not to partake. (legally)." Your preference is that UK control or force anti-drinking behavior during the game.
          Well, that's a stretch. Bottom line, I wish I could change the way you think but realize I can't. And, all the reasons of this world are not going to change mine.
          John 3:3

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          • Lighthouse
            Gone But Never Forgotten
            • Oct 2014
            • 35962

            #80
            Originally posted by Dwight Schrute

            So the New Testament didn't happen? You're just going to ignore Spirit's points about Jesus drinking Wine? Which of the Ten Commandments covers drinking alcohol?
            As usual you pick out what supports your position and tries to demean mine. Of Course the New Testament happened! Why do you only focus on the wedding and ignore the other Scripture I mentioned? And if your interested, do some research on the wine mentioned in the Bible and compare it to what we have today.
            John 3:3

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            • Dwight Schrute
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 18716

              #81
              Originally posted by Lighthouse

              As usual you pick out what supports your position and tries to demean mine. Of Course the New Testament happened! Why do you only focus on the wedding and ignore the other Scripture I mentioned? And if your interested, do some research on the wine mentioned in the Bible and compare it to what we have today.
              Well, first off, the Bible is extremely contradictory in many instances - it's impossible to follow the letter of God's law. Best to stick to the spirit of it and try our hardest.

              I'm not demeaning you, I'm pointing out why I and a lot of other Theologians disagree with your assessment. Jesus absolutely never forbade drinking. He forbade drunkenness and mandated that man follow the laws (meaning underaged drinking and public drunkenness laws should always be followed). He also forbade it if it hinders the Gospel or offends others (should we ever find ourselves in each other's intimate company, I will not drink).

              But Jesus absolutely never forbade us from enjoying a beer or glass of wine or a spirit in moderation.
              Last edited by Dwight Schrute; 06-04-2019, 04:17 PM.

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              • JFCats22
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 4221

                #82
                Originally posted by Lighthouse

                As usual you pick out what supports your position and tries to demean mine. Of Course the New Testament happened! Why do you only focus on the wedding and ignore the other Scripture I mentioned? And if your interested, do some research on the wine mentioned in the Bible and compare it to what we have today.
                https://www.christianity.com/christi...k-alcohol.html

                So Scripture nowhere gives just a flat-out denunciation of alcohol. In fact, on the contrary, there are positive things that are said about wine.

                https://www.biblestudytools.com/topi...nking-alcohol/

                but the Bible never says that alcohol is wrong.


                The Bible’s answer It is not a sin to drink alcohol in moderation.

                Last edited by JFCats22; 06-04-2019, 04:18 PM.

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                • 40bill
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2014
                  • 8506

                  #83
                  Well, this one went off in different directions....which can be pretty good.
                  My faith doesn't really factor in to this situation....other than I don't agree with getting out of control drunk.
                  I will believe in Jesus Christ. Mainly because of my failings, not because of not having any.
                  My experiences with alcohol at sporting events or alcohol related instances at sporting events have been on the most part negative.
                  with respect to Dwight, Spirit and everyone else; I am well aware of partaking before the game. I just don't see where consumption during will have a positive outcome.
                  I understand the concept of 'Im a.grown-up and I have a right' , but would also point out that overindulging in that right decreases the enjoyment of others.

                  From what little I've read, the UK President has turned this over to Mitch Barnhart to study over the next months. We just get to see what decision he reaches...which legitimately could include areas of the stadium or arena being either alcohol free or alcohol allowed.
                  Time will tell.
                  Last edited by 40bill; 06-04-2019, 04:24 PM.

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                  • 40bill
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2014
                    • 8506

                    #84
                    Originally posted by JFCats22

                    https://www.christianity.com/christi...k-alcohol.html

                    So Scripture nowhere gives just a flat-out denunciation of alcohol. In fact, on the contrary, there are positive things that are said about wine.

                    https://www.biblestudytools.com/topi...nking-alcohol/

                    but the Bible never says that alcohol is wrong.
                    So what are you able to get drunk on? If DRUNKENESS is warned against, would that not indicate caution should be used?

                    By your reasoning, since biblically it doesn't say it you should be able.to close your eyes and drive 90 through a school zone.

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                    • Dwight Schrute
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 18716

                      #85
                      Originally posted by 40bill

                      So what are you able to get drunk on? If DRUNKENESS is warned against, would that not indicate caution should be used?

                      By your reasoning, since biblically it doesn't say it you should be able.to close your eyes and drive 90 through a school zone.
                      Bill, that's the worst example I've ever read. Is it your contention that one is unable to drink alcohol without getting drunk?

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                      • JFCats22
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 4221

                        #86
                        Originally posted by 40bill

                        So what are you able to get drunk on? If DRUNKENESS is warned against, would that not indicate caution should be used?

                        By your reasoning, since biblically it doesn't say it you should be able.to close your eyes and drive 90 through a school zone.
                        Is this so laughable it doesn't even warrant a response.

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                        • 40bill
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2014
                          • 8506

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Dwight Schrute

                          So the New Testament didn't happen? You're just going to ignore Spirit's points about Jesus drinking Wine? Which of the Ten Commandments covers drinking alcohol?
                          Paul went so far to say nothing is a sin, but not everything is beneficial. Pretty good warning on several things.

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                          • Dwight Schrute
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 18716

                            #88
                            Originally posted by 40bill

                            Paul went so far to say nothing is a sin, but not everything is beneficial. Pretty good warning on several things.
                            That isn't a prohibition on alcohol.

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                            • 40bill
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2014
                              • 8506

                              #89
                              [QUOTE=JFCats22;n206728]

                              Is this so laughable it doesn't even warrant a response. [/QUOTE
                              Lol, the response is to the level of your premise.

                              once again, oh ye of answers.......what are you going to get drunk on?
                              Last edited by 40bill; 06-04-2019, 04:40 PM.

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                              • 40bill
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2014
                                • 8506

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Dwight Schrute

                                That isn't a prohibition on alcohol.
                                Don't know. Wasn't there. I would assume 'everything' and 'nothing' would cover most topics.
                                Last edited by 40bill; 06-04-2019, 04:39 PM.

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