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  • lilproUK98
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2014
    • 2472

    #1

    What's your take Lighthouse?

    Roger Ayers making honest mistakes, coincidence, or something much more troubling?

  • Lighthouse
    Gone But Never Forgotten
    • Oct 2014
    • 35962

    #2
    First I would consider the source. Then their purpose. Mr Ayers has had a very long and successful career and I would doubt he would do anything on purpose to jeopardize it.
    John 3:3

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    • lilproUK98
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2014
      • 2472

      #3
      Originally posted by Lighthouse
      First I would consider the source. Then their purpose. Mr Ayers has had a very long and successful career and I would doubt he would do anything on purpose to jeopardize it.
      Well, the source is a sports gambling site. Their purpose is to help folks pick games. The evidence is right there on video. History is littered with folks who had "long and successful careers" only to later be exposed as a less than ethical person. Not convicting Ayers of anything, but I'm also not gonna just turn a blind eye to it.

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      • Blue Heaven
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 6283

        #4
        Originally posted by Lighthouse
        First I would consider the source. Then their purpose. Mr Ayers has had a very long and successful career and I would doubt he would do anything on purpose to jeopardize it.
        It's hard to trust and defend people we don't know. I am not a gambler and don't condone it but that's some pretty good evidence right there.
        Isaiah 5:20

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        • Joneslab
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 39604

          #5
          Incidentally Ayers was involved in the single-worst officiated Kentucky game I've ever watched, which is this one.

          IMO that game was far worse than the other infamous game against Carolina that John Higgins did.

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          • Lighthouse
            Gone But Never Forgotten
            • Oct 2014
            • 35962

            #6
            Originally posted by lilproUK98

            Well, the source is a sports gambling site. Their purpose is to help folks pick games. The evidence is right there on video. History is littered with folks who had "long and successful careers" only to later be exposed as a less than ethical person. Not convicting Ayers of anything, but I'm also not gonna just turn a blind eye to it.
            OK, IMO you just answered your own question when you said what the site is. I don't know Roger Ayers or what he's about, and I say anything about a video because I couldn't find one.
            Last edited by Lighthouse; 02-07-2019, 02:22 PM.
            John 3:3

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            • Lighthouse
              Gone But Never Forgotten
              • Oct 2014
              • 35962

              #7
              Originally posted by Will Lavender
              Incidentally Ayers was involved in the single-worst officiated Kentucky game I've ever watched, which is this one.

              IMO that game was far worse than the other infamous game against Carolina that John Higgins did.
              I'm trying to remember that game, but the game was at UNC and we lost by 2. So far everything equal and there was only a 6 foul difference. Another unmentioned fact is, Jamie Luckie was also on that game and he's the one on that crew that I've never liked much.
              John 3:3

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              • lilproUK98
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2014
                • 2472

                #8
                Originally posted by Lighthouse

                I'm trying to remember that game, but the game was at UNC and we lost by 2. So far everything equal and there was only a 6 foul difference. Another unmentioned fact is, Jamie Luckie was also on that game and he's the one on that crew that I've never liked much.
                Right. I hold my breath any game Luckie is involved in. He is absolutely teribble in so many ways.

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                • lilproUK98
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2014
                  • 2472

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Lighthouse

                  OK, IMO you just answered your own question when you said what the site is. I don't know Roger Ayers or what he's about, and I say anything about a video because I couldn't find one.
                  The videos and still pictures are in responses to that tweet. The two instances are obvious.

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                  • lilproUK98
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2014
                    • 2472

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Will Lavender
                    Incidentally Ayers was involved in the single-worst officiated Kentucky game I've ever watched, which is this one.

                    IMO that game was far worse than the other infamous game against Carolina that John Higgins did.
                    One of the few UK games I missed because of my nephew's bday party. I remember another game at Carolina in 1990 or 91 that Pitino got tossed out of because of "questionable" calls.....lol

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                    • Lighthouse
                      Gone But Never Forgotten
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 35962

                      #11
                      Folks, I can't remember a game where "questionable" calls were not made. I watched a lot of film of my games and they were certainly there, and some were very hard to explain when I was questioned by the supervisor. And if you guys saw those tapes, you would question my integrity too. But, I stood by the calls I made and I can state as honestly as I know how, that not once did I make a single call to hurt or help a player, team or coach.
                      John 3:3

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                      • lilproUK98
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2014
                        • 2472

                        #12
                        I just bring this to your all's attention because it seems to be clear intent and negligence on the job which also happens to benefit folks directly in the wallet...

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                        • Spiritof96
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 13503

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Lighthouse

                          OK, IMO you just answered your own question when you said what the site is. I don't know Roger Ayers or what he's about, and I say anything about a video because I couldn't find one.
                          Not at all.

                          It would be interesting to research how many Ayers called games busted the spread vs. other officials. Every basketball official who was busted for game fixing "had a very long and successful career and wouldn't' do anything on purpose to jeopardize it."

                          He isn't dirty... yet, but there is smoke.
                          Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
                          ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
                          Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
                          No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
                          RIP: Charlie Munger​

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                          • teamchemistry15
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 7022

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Lighthouse
                            Folks, I can't remember a game where "questionable" calls were not made. I watched a lot of film of my games and they were certainly there, and some were very hard to explain when I was questioned by the supervisor. And if you guys saw those tapes, you would question my integrity too. But, I stood by the calls I made and I can state as honestly as I know how, that not once did I make a single call to hurt or help a player, team or coach.
                            But did you make a call that would help the people who bet on the game? 😁 I'm only joking. I know you are an honest man and a man of your word. I've never met you in person (although hopefully we get together at a high school game soon) but there's zero doubt in my mind that you ever did anything while officiating other than call it like you felt it needed to be called.

                            But, there's also zero doubt in my mind that there are officials out there involved in games in ways they shouldn't be. Whether that's gambling, leaning towards friendships, etc.

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                            • Brother_Vol
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2014
                              • 455

                              #15
                              Looks like they are going to get out ahead of this regardless whether there was actual intent for the tournament. Will be reviewing all shots made at the buzzer whether it makes a difference in the outcome or not.

                              Wish that I was on ol Rocky Top

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