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Mom of Duke player says NCAA system resembles 'slavery and the prison system'

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  • Joneslab
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 39604

    #16
    It would have to be as a kind of protest for there to be that sea change.

    The better protest would be for the player to sit out an NCAA Tournament game. It came out just this past week that Wisconsin players were going to do just that a couple of years ago.

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    • Dwight Schrute
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 18716

      #17
      Originally posted by Will Lavender
      It would have to be as a kind of protest for there to be that sea change.

      The better protest would be for the player to sit out an NCAA Tournament game. It came out just this past week that Wisconsin players were going to do just that a couple of years ago.
      Maybe, but the day is coming where there's going to be a backlash at the NCAA, a real backlash that they have to acknowledge.

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      • J.Jennings
        Banned
        • Oct 2014
        • 7005

        #18
        Again, nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head and making them go to college and play for nothing. Get a job, work, turn 19, then go to the NBA. If you are that good, who cares about exposure, your god given talent is going to take care of you anyways....

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        • J.Jennings
          Banned
          • Oct 2014
          • 7005

          #19
          What would happen if a top 5 sure shot one and done player has a career ending injury playing one year of college basketball under the current setup?

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          • Catsrock
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 5560

            #20
            Originally posted by J.Jennings
            What would happen if a top 5 sure shot one and done player has a career ending injury playing one year of college basketball under the current setup?
            Hopefully someone bought him a nice insurance policy and he's a millionaire anyway.

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            • Lighthouse
              Gone But Never Forgotten
              • Oct 2014
              • 35962

              #21
              Originally posted by Catsrock

              Hopefully someone bought him a nice insurance policy and he's a millionaire anyway.
              Under the current NCAA involvement, unless the one buying the policy is a family member, it might be a violation.
              John 3:3

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              • Joneslab
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 39604

                #22
                Originally posted by J.Jennings
                Again, nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head and making them go to college and play for nothing. Get a job, work, turn 19, then go to the NBA. If you are that good, who cares about exposure, your god given talent is going to take care of you anyways....
                The problem with this is that there are many players in the same boat. Very few of them are LeBron. In fact almost none of them are.

                The NBA wants to know who's who. They want to separate wheat from chaff. The best model for this is college basketball, and the players are fully aware of this.

                If they went to the G-League, many of them would be punished on a nightly basis. The guys are too physically and emotionally mature. The toll of the season is still too much. The true freaks would rise to the top but most of these guys are destined to be role players. They need a little help to get their name out there.

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                • Joneslab
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 39604

                  #23
                  Originally posted by J.Jennings
                  What would happen if a top 5 sure shot one and done player has a career ending injury playing one year of college basketball under the current setup?
                  Cal has spoken many times about the insurance policies UK's players have.

                  Here's an article about how it works that talks about Leonard Fournette's two $10 million policies (). The NCAA sponsors career-ending insurance.

                  All eyes will be on LSU's Leonard Fournette as he runs through college football in 2016. Should he stumble, adjusters will look for ways to run through his insurance policies.

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                  • Catsrock
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 5560

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Lighthouse

                    Under the current NCAA involvement, unless the one buying the policy is a family member, it might be a violation.
                    I don't think that would matter to the player.

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                    • Lighthouse
                      Gone But Never Forgotten
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 35962

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Catsrock

                      I don't think that would matter to the player.
                      I'm sure you're right, but I can't see a school allowing it to happen if they knew about it.
                      John 3:3

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                      • J.Jennings
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 7005

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Will Lavender

                        The problem with this is that there are many players in the same boat. Very few of them are LeBron. In fact almost none of them are.

                        The NBA wants to know who's who. They want to separate wheat from chaff. The best model for this is college basketball, and the players are fully aware of this.

                        If they went to the G-League, many of them would be punished on a nightly basis. The guys are too physically and emotionally mature. The toll of the season is still too much. The true freaks would rise to the top but most of these guys are destined to be role players. They need a little help to get their name out there.
                        But this is why i think G league is good. Our problem now more than ever is all these kids think they are NBA players and feel entitiled to it. To me you don't get to the NBA unless you are a freak and yes the NBA has role players but the role players are freakingly great at something, freaks like Lebron are great at everything................

                        Look at Gabriel, skinny, non starter, low ppg average, etc. Has a great college game and hit's a bunch of threes now he's a NBA player right? Vanderbilt injured no offense but now he's a NBA player? Diallo throws down a few dunks and can jump out of the gym and he's a NBA player ??

                        I agree the NCAA makes a killing off these kids but it's been like that for years. If players dont like the system, don't go to college and do something else for a year. If your that good, who cares about exposure, they will find you anyways and your skill will speak for itself............

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                        • J.Jennings
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 7005

                          #27
                          All i can say is if they do open that door and allow college players compensation, the bigger schools going to put the smaller schools out of business. Once there is a legal way to funnel money, it just opens up other avenues of corruption and more potential problems. If college players are getting paid, does J. Wall make more than D. Miller while in college? Does Morehead State get the same amount of dollars to pay it's players than Kentucky?


                          Time for the NBA to make it 18 again and let these kids sink or swim on there own. If you go straight to the pros and flunk, that's on you. If you are a NBA team and draft a player and he fails, that's also on you...

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                          • Joneslab
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 39604

                            #28
                            Originally posted by J.Jennings

                            But this is why i think G league is good. Our problem now more than ever is all these kids think they are NBA players and feel entitiled to it.
                            I don't disagree. I'm just saying that the players keep coming to college because college is the best game in town. Most understand they need the exposure a Kentucky can give.

                            Some don't care about exposure and they go to LSU or Washington or whatever. But college remains the best bet.

                            If the G-League somehow became this viable thing where players were okay with making that much money and okay playing in front of tiny crowds, then college basketball would have to adjust. It might have to adjust anyway if they change the one-and-done rule. Kentucky would still be Kentucky with or without those players.

                            But I'd rather have them. We talk about the downsides of one-and-done a lot but there have been many positives. I'm in the minority among UK fans, but I don't think one-and-dones are killing the college game.

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                            • Dwight Schrute
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 18716

                              #29
                              I don't think one and done are killing the game - I think the NCAA is doing that. NCAA games are unwatchable to me these days. Too many damn fouls.

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                              • Catsrock
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2014
                                • 5560

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Will Lavender

                                I don't disagree. I'm just saying that the players keep coming to college because college is the best game in town. Most understand they need the exposure a Kentucky can give.

                                Some don't care about exposure and they go to LSU or Washington or whatever. But college remains the best bet.

                                If the G-League somehow became this viable thing where players were okay with making that much money and okay playing in front of tiny crowds, then college basketball would have to adjust. It might have to adjust anyway if they change the one-and-done rule. Kentucky would still be Kentucky with or without those players.

                                But I'd rather have them. We talk about the downsides of one-and-done a lot but there have been many positives. I'm in the minority among UK fans, but I don't think one-and-dones are killing the college game.


                                The true one and dones only help the excitement of the game for their single season in my opinion. It's the "one and shouldn't be dones" that threaten to wreck a season or 2 for us once in a while.

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