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  • Joneslab
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 39604

    #1

    The Good, The Bad, The Gilgeous: Georgia Edition

    The Good

    * So it's New Year's Eve. For whatever reason you're playing on Sunday again, because you never play unless it's some godforsaken hour of the day on a Friday or a Sunday. You're coming off a butt-whooping of your archrival. You're playing against a team that always gives you problems, and a coach who loves nothing more than uglifying the game. That's not a recipe for success, and the Cats nearly didn't. But they come out with what was a crucial win in a game that was the embodiment of "hard fought."

    * Wenyen continues to ball. The guy oddly has nothing going toward the basket, but he's starting to make several winning plays throughout these games. He's one of the few guys we have who will scrap on the glass, and he will attack 50/50 balls as well as almost any player I've seen in the Cal era. If he had any semblance of an offensive game off the bounce he'd be dangerous, but all in all I love the way he's playing.

    * Making plays down the stretch. When the game was tight at the end, various players stepped up to make winning plays. I loved the Diallo drive along the baseline in the last three minutes. I loved Shai. And I liked Quade having the guts to step to the line late and drill free throws. A good sign from a team that's going to play a lot of close games from here on.

    * Shai at the line. Money.

    * PJ Washington's run with about 10 minutes left. Yeah, it wasn't a consistent effort or anything, but Washington was all in that game when Kentucky started to make its push.

    * Three-point defense again. After getting routinely torched by UCLA, Kentucky pushed Georgia into tough shots just as they did Louisville. Some of those shots were makeable, but I saw some pretty good close-out defense from Kentucky, and the length bothered Georgia from the beginning. In its last two games Kentucky has allowed 5 three-point shots on 46 attempts. That'll do.

    The Bad

    * The charge call on Wenyen in the second half. I thought the officiating was poor on the whole, but that call appeared to be an example of an official lining up the call before it unfolded in front of him. College refs are way too keen on calling the charge for some reason, even when the offensive player is completely in control.

    * Nick Richards logged three minutes last night. We need more from the big guy.

    * The free throw atrocity late. We'd been awesome for the entire game, and then Farnham and his partner jinxed us by talking about it. From that point on it was an adventure, and if Georgia could have thrown a shot in things would have gotten dicey.

    * Mark Fox channeling his inner Tubby Smith. Fox tried to take a page from Steve Alford's game and slow this one down to a drip, and it almost worked. It's clear Kentucky prefers the game moving fluidly, and where we're going to run into issues is when we get a team who's hitting shots and who gets the game to a crawl. I'm looking at you, Tennessee.

    * The shooting percentages were among the lowest in this program's history in a win. In some ways that's impressive that a young team can gut out a win like that, but in other ways that was essentially a trip to the dentist's office last night on offense. Yikes.

    * Speaking of offense: way too many shots came from the wrong people at the wrong times. I haven't seen this team looking for its own too much this year, but on a few possessions last night there was one pass and then a guy jacked up a contested shot in a terrible place. Hami Diallo fired one in the first half that almost broke my psyche. This team can't win like that against a good team, needless to say, and if you get that sort of stuff on the road that's how you get trounced.

    * Kevin Knox scuffling. Knox is going through the same kinds of things John Wall did at this time: the defense is keying on him more, and he's finding it really difficult to operate. His body language is terrible, he's not playing with that effortlessness he was early, and the game is becoming hard for him. I think he'll work out of it, but sometimes it takes these freshmen several games to get it going once they fall in a trench.

    The Gilgeous

    * Shai. What to say about this guy? It's a double-edged sword, like it always is for Kentucky basketball: on one hand he's become this team's best player, clearly, and that's awesome for a guy who's so darned likeable. But on the other hand, he's slowly becoming a first-round pick. I've chalked him up as a returner from the beginning: Shai doesn't have the electric speed most NBA guys have. He isn't a great leaper. He doesn't have Rajon Rondo's juice. He can't shoot the ball yet. But he gets a lot of that back with some of the other intangibles he has, notably his mind-boggling length and the pace at which he plays the game. He's one of those guys who just "knows how to play," as the saying goes. The guy is becoming a star right before our eyes.
    Last edited by Joneslab; 01-01-2018, 10:35 AM.
  • George
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 10355

    #2
    Shai isn’t going on the first round. Loving his game right now and I think he’ll be a star for us, but plenty of guys in the NBA are “long” and “know how to play.” Even as he improves, I’d bet my car that he’s still a multi-year player.

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    • Joneslab
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 39604

      #3
      Originally posted by Downes Van Zandt
      Shai isn’t going on the first round. Loving his game right now and I think he’ll be a star for us, but plenty of guys in the NBA are “long” and “know how to play.”
      Not a whole lot of them are 6'6" with that kind of wingspan and play point guard.

      He'll be right there and he will have a decision. You just don't see many people on planet Earth built that way with that skillset.

      The thing about him is that he isn't like some of these other guys. He wasn't a star coming out of high school so a lot of these scouts are still learning about him.

      If he had a little more speed or a consistent jumpshot he'd be a top five pick.

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      • George
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 10355

        #4
        Originally posted by Will Lavender
        You just don't see many people on planet Earth built that way with that skillset..
        You and I don’t, but NBA scouts see people like that all the time.

        I’m not knocking the kid at all; I just think you’re overselling his build. A 6’6” guy with long arms isn’t all that uncommon in the pros.

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        • Joneslab
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 39604

          #5
          Originally posted by Downes Van Zandt

          You and I don’t, but NBA scouts see people like that all the time.
          Shai isn't being compared to guys in the NBA now. He's 18 years old. He'll be measured based on players in this draft--or in whatever draft he chooses to go in.

          And in this draft, I can find no other 6'6" point guards with a condor's wingspan. I mean once you get past the obvious two--Sexton and Young--the point guard stable is pretty soft in 2018. There are guys being projected at the end of the first round who are pretty sketchy. LaGerald Vick hello? Jalen Brunson hello?

          Shai is hellaciously intriguing, unfortunately. If I absolutely had to bet right now I would assume he'll return, but if he keeps playing like this it'll get interesting. This is two games in a row where he hasn't just played well, he's dominated the game. Nobody could keep him out of the paint the last two times out.

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          • Lighthouse
            Gone But Never Forgotten
            • Oct 2014
            • 35962

            #6
            A happy report on an ugly game. Good insight Will.
            John 3:3

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            • Blue Heaven
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 6283

              #7
              We are going to need Richards. There was an instance at the beginning of the game where Green threw a terrible alley oop pass to Richards backside. He caught the ball and in one motion tried to dunk it from about 8 feet from the rim! He should've come down with it then went up. Just a terrible play. His defense was just as bad.

              Teams like Georgia make it hard for guys like Richards and Knox to be comfortable. The uglier the game, the uglier their game. That has got to change because there will be a lot of Tubby Ball being thrown at us. Teams don't want to run with us so they do what they have to do to give them a chance.

              Shai may be the smartest player I have seen under Cal. He seems to always make the right play. The only mistake I have seen him make in the last few games was his steal last last night where he attempted to start a break and threw it right to a defender. In typical Shai fashion, he promptly stole it back and it lead to a lay up. He is stuffing the stat sheet and playing inspired ball. I love this guy.

              Green's defense seems to be coming around just a bit. He did a better job of keeping his defender in front of him last night. I get the feeling that just about every time he shoots I think it's going in. Still, Cal saw the light last night and had Shai in there during crunch time for the most part. This team seems it will go as Shai goes and our backcourt is coming along nicely.

              We can't have Hami throwing up garbage shots. Georgia did a good job of taking him out of his game and he tried to make up for it by throwing up at least three absolutely terrible shots. Hami's game is getting out in transition and driving to the hole.

              Wenyen is doing the dirty work. He's a headache when he tries to handle the ball. He's got that wing three ball down pat. He's playing extremely hard and last night had his hand on a ton of 50/50 balls. I didn't think he had that in him and I am pleased with where he is at right now.
              Isaiah 5:20

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              • TrueblueCATfan
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 16272

                #8
                How did we go 2-0 this weekend with a 29 point thrashing of UL and we fall 1 spot in the polls

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                • Lighthouse
                  Gone But Never Forgotten
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 35962

                  #9
                  Originally posted by TrueblueCATfan
                  How did we go 2-0 this weekend with a 29 point thrashing of UL and we fall 1 spot in the polls
                  It's that National Kentucky Hate.
                  John 3:3

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                  • Joneslab
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 39604

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TrueblueCATfan
                    How did we go 2-0 this weekend with a 29 point thrashing of UL and we fall 1 spot in the polls
                    Could be because the UCLA game is weighing on people's minds a lot. That game was before the bowl season and it was probably the game that voters watched all the way through. And obviously we looked atrocious and not even like a top 25 team.

                    I wouldn't be that concerned with the polls. If we keep winning things will shake themselves out. This season is a little different than pretty much every year since Cal has been here. There are a lot of good wins possible that could help our seed--and more importantly our confidence.

                    From all the games I've seen I would still probably put Kentucky around 15-18 in the country. The Louisville game was awesome but the last 25 minutes of that game were really the only time we've seen that level of ball out of this team. Mostly they've just been okay.

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                    • KCKUKFan
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2014
                      • 14228

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Will Lavender

                      Could be because the UCLA game is weighing on people's minds a lot. That game was before the bowl season and it was probably the game that voters watched all the way through. And obviously we looked atrocious and not even like a top 25 team.

                      I wouldn't be that concerned with the polls. If we keep winning things will shake themselves out. This season is a little different than pretty much every year since Cal has been here. There are a lot of good wins possible that could help our seed--and more importantly our confidence.

                      From all the games I've seen I would still probably put Kentucky around 15-18 in the country. The Louisville game was awesome but the last 25 minutes of that game were really the only time we've seen that level of ball out of this team. Mostly they've just been okay.
                      I think it shows that our ceiling is higher than a lot of other teams, though.

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                      • Joneslab
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 39604

                        #12
                        Originally posted by KCKUKFan

                        I think it shows that our ceiling is higher than a lot of other teams, though.
                        I agree with this.

                        I honestly think it's a pretty weak year in the game once you get past maybe three teams. And even those three teams aren't great, as we saw this past weekend.

                        Duke's defensive efficiency is 80th. (It was awful for most of the year when they won their last title, though.)

                        The second tier this season may contain as many as 18 or 20 teams. Really strange season.

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                        • KCKUKFan
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2014
                          • 14228

                          #13
                          A lot has been made of it, but Shai Gil---eeeeh----Alexander's play has been incredible recently. If he keeps improving, he will end up on my All-Freshman Cal Team, which I NEVER thought I'd be saying when he committed.

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                          • George
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 10355

                            #14
                            Originally posted by KCKUKFan
                            A lot has been made of it, but Shai Gil---eeeeh----Alexander's play has been incredible recently. If he keeps improving, he will end up on my All-Freshman Cal Team, which I NEVER thought I'd be saying when he committed.
                            What’s that team look like right now? And who would he bump?

                            Again, not knocking him. Just curious.

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                            • Jload
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2015
                              • 2057

                              #15
                              UK still deficient up front, have been since Willie and Carl left, and this year they may be even thinner than last year. No interior offense will result in a very early NCAA exit.

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