Familiar story in Memphis

[Joneslab]

I was banned at WCF, BBN and Cats' pause by the TSF's. And then banned here by them too. Even got banned one time for calling him TLT.

I think the banning wasn't because of the takes themselves but for a long time you and your buddies would talk about nothing but Tubby Smith. Like you were obsessed or something.

And it's also hyperbolic in the way all really terrible arguments are. At some point it enters into an area where you make such wild points that even guys who didn't like Tubby would probably roll their eyes. Refusing to capitalize his name? Second grade stuff.

It comes off like some sort of personal grudge. More than that, it's a little weird.

But there is some truth threaded through the points you make. Not many would dispute that.

[Jload]

Tubby won a national championship here, I also believe had Keith Bogans not suffered a high ankle sprain late in the tourney he would have won a second. He certainly wasn't the best coach we ever had but he didn't "ruin" UK basketball. The 'team turmoil' year started a down hill slide he seemed to lack the ability to stop, and it WAS time for him to go when he exited. Coaching here takes a man with overwhelming drive and determination as well as a skin as thick as a rhino. Tubby unfortunately didn't posses enough of those qualities to make him successful in the long run. His tenures at his subsequent schools bear this out. He will not be successful at Memphis IMO for the same reasons.

[Lighthouse]

Tubby won a national championship here, I also believe had Keith Bogans not suffered a high ankle sprain late in the tourney he would have won a second. He certainly wasn't the best coach we ever had but he didn't "ruin" UK basketball. The 'team turmoil' year started a down hill slide he seemed to lack the ability to stop, and it WAS time for him to go when he exited. Coaching here takes a man with overwhelming drive and determination as well as a skin as thick as a rhino. Tubby unfortunately didn't posses enough of those qualities to make him successful in the long run. His tenures at his subsequent schools bear this out. He will not be successful at Memphis IMO for the same reasons.

Well said, and I agree!

[Old School]

Washington Post reporting on continued problems in Memphis:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/04/13/transferring-memphis-player-burns-every-possible-bridge-on-his-way-out/

[Dwight Schrute]

That would have been AWESOME... under Cal

It's a good thing for Golden State that things didn't work out or elseTubby would have ground all the joy out of Draymond and ruined his career.

Heh...I dunno, Tubby didn't have a ton of NBA guys, but there were a few who went on to have solid careers.

But I agree overall.

[Westtncat]

tubby did damage UK. He took UK to an also ran in basketball. As for the "good man" garbage, spare me that BS. What kind of good man is a lazy liar? What kind of good man puts playing his son ahead of the good of the university? What kind of good man lies about another player's illness so that he can keep playing his son? The people that call him a good man sure have a loose definition of what a good man is. Then he goes on PTI and implies racism when the water got hot here. That's sure enough "good man" material right there.

As for basketball, he cannot coach. The narrative is that he couldn't recruit and it wasn't his coaching. But he had the number 1 recruiting class once for sure and I think twice?

For his career he has never built anything anywhere. He has always came in on the shoulders of the previous coach and worked down from there. He hasn't had a winning record in any conference since he left UK. Not even once. Pastner was a terrible hire for Memphis but now tubby is making him look like a coaching genius.

The people at Memphis have caught on to the grifter far quicker that UK fans did. He won't make to a 3rd season there. He doesn't deserve a second season. I just wish Pitino would leave and UL is dumb enough to hire him. That's always been my dream job for tubby.

But tubby fooled me too. I called in to the Big Blue Line around Christmas of 1997 to defend him. I saw craks in the fall of '98 over the Myron Anthony deal but I gave tubby the benefit of the doubt then. I didn't know either that was just how he operated. By the end of the '99 season I knew we had bought a pig in a poke. I started posting in 2000 that tubby would never get to another final four in his career. Not here, not anywhere else. I called him "7-UP, never had it, never will". I was banned at WCF, BBN and Cats' pause by the TSF's. And then banned here by them too. Even got banned one time for calling him TLT.

tubby stole UK basketball from a generation of UK fans. Some of you can forgive him for that. I NEVER will. Nor do I want to.

So you do, or do not like Tubby? Not sure I understand.

[TrueblueCATfan]

Tubby won a national championship here, I also believe had Keith Bogans not suffered a high ankle sprain late in the tourney he would have won a second. He certainly wasn't the best coach we ever had but he didn't "ruin" UK basketball. The 'team turmoil' year started a down hill slide he seemed to lack the ability to stop, and it WAS time for him to go when he exited. Coaching here takes a man with overwhelming drive and determination as well as a skin as thick as a rhino. Tubby unfortunately didn't posses enough of those qualities to make him successful in the long run. His tenures at his subsequent schools bear this out. He will not be successful at Memphis IMO for the same reasons.

I agree..no way did he ruin UK basketball

[BJD]

So you do, or do not like Tubby? Not sure I understand.

I would love tubby if he was coaching Louisville or IU or dUke or UNC. The same way our rivals loved him while he was here.

The guy can't coach. He won't recruit and he is a liar. Understand now??

[BJD]

I agree..no way did he ruin UK basketball

I will forever disagree with that. he made UK basketball into an afterthought. No coach in UK history before tubby had ever lost 10 games in back to back years. he not only did that but he lost them in 3 consecutive season . And he did that twice!! The first time that 3 year streak was preceded by a 9 loss season. 39 losses in 4 seasons. The 4 seasons following his handed to him title.

Then he had another 3 consecutive 10 loss seasons to end his career here. You want to talk the tourney? After he was handed the title in '98 he never beat a team seeded higher than a 4 in his other 9 seasons here. Never!!

And if what he did here after the gifted title is not enough to show that it was a gift then look at his career after he left. He hasn't had a winning season in any conference in the last 10 years.

But back to UK. He put playing his son ahead of the good of the program. Then he lied about another player's illness so he could keep playing his son. OK, that could be partially forgiven if he had won with that son. He didn't. We lost because of that decision. We lost games, we lost recruits and we lost our national aura.

He stole UK basketball from a generation.

[Westtncat]

I would love tubby if he was coaching Louisville or IU or dUke or UNC. The same way our rivals loved him while he was here.

The guy can't coach. He won't recruit and he is a liar. Understand now??

Yes, you think Tubby has his shortcomings like all coaches but you appreciate he won a title here.

[Coalcatfan12]

Yeah he won a title at kentucky with Pitino's team. He didnt kill the program. He just put it in a comatose status and i was glad to see him go.

[TrueblueCATfan]

I will forever disagree with that. he made UK basketball into an afterthought. No coach in UK history before tubby had ever lost 10 games in back to back years. he not only did that but he lost them in 3 consecutive season . And he did that twice!! The first time that 3 year streak was preceded by a 9 loss season. 39 losses in 4 seasons. The 4 seasons following his handed to him title.

Then he had another 3 consecutive 10 loss seasons to end his career here. You want to talk the tourney? After he was handed the title in '98 he never beat a team seeded higher than a 4 in his other 9 seasons here. Never!!

And if what he did here after the gifted title is not enough to show that it was a gift then look at his career after he left. He hasn't had a winning season in any conference in the last 10 years.

But back to UK. He put playing his son ahead of the good of the program. Then he lied about another player's illness so he could keep playing his son. OK, that could be partially forgiven if he had won with that son. He didn't. We lost because of that decision. We lost games, we lost recruits and we lost our national aura.

He stole UK basketball from a generation.

you are entitled to your opinion but IMO Billy Gillespie ruined it for me

[Westtncat]

I think its a complete over reaction. He won a title, had some good teams and toward the end really tanked. He was replaced. Did not steal UK from a generation. Hoping the poster knows how long a generation actually is. He was only at UK a total of 10 years. One season was a national title, another season was a perfect 16-0 SEC run. So that leaves 8 years. He did have a long dry spell of no final fours and he lost his job. Why it goes so much further than this is beyond me. I guess if fruit flies watch UK basketball then yes, it was stolen from a generation..

[Westtncat]

you are entitled to your opinion but IMO Billy Gillespie ruined it for me

Tubby had a winning percentage of .760 Clyde had a winning percentage of .597