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  • catfaninin
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 2016

    #1

    NCAA Tournament Conspiracy Theorists are Dumb

    The facts tell a different story than what a few people want to believe.

  • KevinHall
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 6857

    #2
    Yea I never bought that Duke got an easier draw than anyone else. It just what people want to believe to fit their own narrative. I do think TV influences how the tourney is laid out. There's just been too many "coincidences" over the years not to think that. TV pay Billions of dollars to put these games on the air so its only natural they put some subtle pressure on the selection committee to have some TV friendly potential games. I expect UK and UL to be two and three seeds in the same region this year with UNC being the one. That is two big TV ratings bonanza games just waiting to happen.
    Kentucky fan since 1971.

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    • catfaninin
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 2016

      #3
      I definitely think they set up games for tv. And I agree that UK and UL will likely be in the same region. Not sure about UNC. I think they would like to make that rematch a Final Four game if they can. I'm thinking Kansas is probably UK's 1 seed. And I hope it goes that way. I think other than Gonzaga Kansas is the most vulnerable 1 seed. But having to play them in Kansas City might not be ideal.

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      • Joneslab
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 39604

        #4
        Conspiracy theories are generally dumb in all walks of life, not just sports.

        One weird thing that has happened since Cal has been here is that we haven't gotten many breaks in terms of upsets out in front of us. We've generally had to play the best seed and haven't had much craziness to open up the way for us. The two UConn games are the closest probably.

        In Billy Donovan's last three or four years Florida was getting breaks left and right.

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        • Lighthouse
          Gone But Never Forgotten
          • Oct 2014
          • 35962

          #5
          I also thing TV influences pairings because of the money they spend, but when upsets occur their predictions go south. It's very difficult to pair the right teams in the first round.
          John 3:3

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          • Spiritof96
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 13503

            #6
            Originally posted by catfaninin
            The facts tell a different story than what a few people want to believe.

            http://kentuckysportsradio.com/main/...ists-are-dumb/
            Guy is getting killed in the comments.
            Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
            ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
            Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
            No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
            RIP: Charlie Munger​

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            • surveyor
              Administrator
              • Oct 2014
              • 14474

              #7
              Originally posted by Spiritof96

              Guy is getting killed in the comments.
              And it's likely that most of them are dumb.
              Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

              Clint Eastwood

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              • Joneslab
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 39604

                #8
                Originally posted by Spiritof96

                Guy is getting killed in the comments.
                Bryan the Intern gets killed in most comments section, I believe. Guy relishes in being awful.

                I think his main argument here is strong just on its face. Why would there be a conspiracy for Duke and there not be one for UK, Carolina, Kansas, and even Louisville and maybe IU?

                The only reason they would want to give teams easy runs is to allow them to keep playing for the revenue those teams' TV ratings bring.

                But Kentucky's and Carolina's and Kansas' ratings are generally right around Duke's in their big games. If you want Duke to have an easy route then you'd want that same easy route for all big-name teams.

                We know that Kentucky has not gotten that easy route since Cal has been here. We've been screwed twice...not because of some conspiracy, but because the selection committee is generally trying to set up TV games.

                One thing I do think they protect is the Duke/Carolina rivalry. The fact that those two teams have never played in the tournament can't be a coincidence.

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                • Blue Heaven
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 6283

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Will Lavender

                  Bryan the Intern gets killed in most comments section, I believe. Guy relishes in being awful.

                  I think his main argument here is strong just on its face. Why would there be a conspiracy for Duke and there not be one for UK, Carolina, Kansas, and even Louisville and maybe IU?

                  The only reason they would want to give teams easy runs is to allow them to keep playing for the revenue those teams' TV ratings bring.

                  But Kentucky's and Carolina's and Kansas' ratings are generally right around Duke's in their big games. If you want Duke to have an easy route then you'd want that same easy route for all big-name teams.

                  We know that Kentucky has not gotten that easy route since Cal has been here. We've been screwed twice...not because of some conspiracy, but because the selection committee is generally trying to set up TV games.

                  One thing I do think they protect is the Duke/Carolina rivalry. The fact that those two teams have never played in the tournament can't be a coincidence.
                  So "setting up TV games" is the new conspiracy then. That is what you are saying, and I don't disagree with it. If Kentucky "has not gotten that easy route since Cal has been here", is it not a conspiracy? Think outside of the political box on this one. We have been royally screwed, but more often than not have proven the "experts" wrong. Speaking of "experts", Lunardi has a MAJOR influence on the tourney draw. Why else would that turd still be giving his "predictions"?
                  Isaiah 5:20

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                  • Joneslab
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 39604

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Blue Heaven

                    So "setting up TV games" is the new conspiracy then. That is what you are saying, and I don't disagree with it. If Kentucky "has not gotten that easy route since Cal has been here", is it not a conspiracy? Think outside of the political box on this one. We have been royally screwed, but more often than not have proven the "experts" wrong. Speaking of "experts", Lunardi has a MAJOR influence on the tourney draw. Why else would that turd still be giving his "predictions"?
                    It's not a conspiracy so much as just a lack of transparency.

                    The committee always swears they don't set up those games...which is BS of the highest order.

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                    • Blue Heaven
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 6283

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Will Lavender

                      It's not a conspiracy so much as just a lack of transparency.

                      The committee always swears they don't set up those games...which is BS of the highest order.
                      Ahhh.
                      So, a conspiracy then? So transparency is the new conspiracy? Funny how that works with one area and not another. Huh? I am befuddled.
                      Last edited by Blue Heaven; 03-10-2017, 04:24 PM.
                      Isaiah 5:20

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                      • surveyor
                        Administrator
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 14474

                        #12
                        LOL at this thread.
                        Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

                        Clint Eastwood

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                        • George
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 10355

                          #13
                          Ask Mick Cronin what he thinks of the selection process. He teed off a week or so ago and I didn't doubt a word of what he said.

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                          • KevinHall
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 6857

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Will Lavender

                            It's not a conspiracy so much as just a lack of transparency.

                            The committee always swears they don't set up those games...which is BS of the highest order.
                            Its been done since CBS took over the NCAA's in 1982. That year they tried to force a UK/UL game. UK got even with them and went out and lost to Middle Tennessee in the 1st round.
                            Kentucky fan since 1971.

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                            • Joneslab
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 39604

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Blue Heaven

                              Ahhh.
                              So, a conspiracy then? So transparency is the new conspiracy? Funny how that works with one area and not another. Huh? I am befuddled.
                              A conspiracy suggests some sort of shadowy plot.

                              The selection process is pretty obvious as far as this goes. It's easy to see what they're doing, they just don't admit they're doing it. They don't admit hardly anything about the selection process and never have. (One reason for this is that it creates controversy, which is always good for sports.) It's one reason I liked the top sixteen seed reveal on February 11--you open up a little window into what they covet.

                              I don't blame them at all for doing this. I'd do it too. College basketball needs all the help it can get in terms of interest. Nobody wants to see East Tennessee State and Wyoming at 8:00 on the first Thursday of the tournament.

                              But it'd be nice if the selection committee admitted that they slid teams up and down seed lines to try and manufacture interesting match-ups.
                              Last edited by Joneslab; 03-10-2017, 06:18 PM.

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