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  • Joneslab
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 39604

    #1

    The @%*!#, The $@*@!, The ^*$@$: Florida Edition

    The @%*!#

    * If it weren't clear before last night, something is seriously wrong with this team. This is no mere funk; these guys are out of sorts in a way that I haven't seen in the Cal era other than the post-Noel injury team. There is definitely something wrong with them in a pretty profound way. This is deeply disappointing, especially in a year that looks as wide open as this one suddenly looks.

    * The illness was a real thing, at least as far as De'Aaron Fox goes. I thought De'Aaron tried his best out there (and ironically along with Mulder I thought they gave us the best efforts) but you could tell he was struggling. He did not look good when the camera zoomed in close to his face.

    * Cal looking helpless on the sideline. I noticed this on Tuesday night as well: Cal is feeling it. He seems baffled and disheartened by what he's seeing out there, and apparently he doesn't have any answers or he would've plugged them in by now.

    The $@*@!

    * You can go an entire lifetime and not see a Kentucky team get punished on the glass like that one did last night. It was incredible and infuriating. In the first half Florida chased down rebounds that caromed right to us. They went over us, through us, next to us...it was mind-bending to sit there and watch that. Never should a Kentucky team as athletic as this one get beat like that. That's just outright softness, and it's yet another thing I'm not sure is really fixable.

    * Getting the ball into Bam every time is not working. Bam is clearly not Karl Towns down there, and even if he were the way this team stops dead when he has the ball is hard to watch. Bam is a very good passer; we know that because of the first few games this season. But notice what happens now: he gets the ball, he backs down, he tries to fight for position...and meanwhile everybody else stands and watches. That isn't good basketball, and to top it off it's ending a lot of times with Bam missing the shot. That gameplan needs to be ditched ASAP.

    * Bad Isaiah Briscoe. Like Bam, Briscoe gets into these things where he tries to make a move while everybody else on the team stands and watches him. The game does not come easy for Briscoe. Even when he's playing well it's an absolute fight. The ball just kind of sticks to him as he's battling with his defender, and it clogs the rest of the team up. When he's going bad he's very hard to watch, and last night wasn't just bad--it was spectacularly horrendous.

    * The officiating left a lot to be desired. There were a bunch of blown and mysterious calls, though it obviously wouldn't have mattered in the final score. The one play in particular where Canyon Berry walked at the top of the key stung. We had some momentum there, the call wasn't made, and Florida promptly scored. I thought Cal was going to be thrown out, and in his heart of hearts I'd say he would have preferred it that way.

    The ^*$@$

    * Defense in the second half. Again, we held our own defensively for the first half. We forced some turnovers, we held them down, we shut off their best player. In the second half once again everything broke loose. I'm not sure what's happening with this, whether we just quit guarding as the game goes along or if there are physical things going on. But if I have to hear "_____ is shooting 70% in the second half" again I might have a meltdown.

    * I didn't see Malik Monk laughing on the bench, so I can't comment on it too much, but clearly it's indicative of where we are right now. A team that's struggling, a coach that obviously has very little idea how to fix it, and players that aren't feeling the necessary pain from getting their butts beat.

    * People are going to talk about--and have talked about--the Julius Randle and Brandon Knight teams. And I'm all for trying to find silver linings. The only thing is that with those teams you didn't see a sudden break like you have with this bunch. The Knight team just couldn't win close games on the road; the Randle team had some stuff that stayed pretty static until the tournament. This team was borderline dominant...and then it wasn't. That suggests some kind of rift inside the team and/or that opponents have just figured us out, and we haven't been able to counter. I expect it's a little of both, which is unfortunate because if there is something happening internally to the team, that stuff usually doesn't get fixed.

    * It was literally last week when we were talking about Kentucky being in position for a 1 seed. Now we aren't even a 1 seed in the SEC Tournament.
    Last edited by Joneslab; 02-05-2017, 08:46 AM.
  • Blue Heaven
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 6283

    #2
    We have been figured out. Someone last night said play zone and guard Monk and it's over. And it has been. Cal is trying to make Bam something he isn't and it's killing this team. Sure he can dunk, but it ends there. He just isn't very good.
    Isaiah 5:20

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    • BobS
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2014
      • 1291

      #3
      LOL. Love the subtitles.

      This team doesn't have it. We have no real post presence again. See last year. Bam is just not a very good player rift now. Sure he's big and strong. But other than dunk, he does nothing all that well. He has no jump hook, doesn't handle it well, terrible FT shooter and less than mediocre rebounder. Has a hard time with defense without fouling. In days past, fans would be drooling over the prospect of seeing Sophomore and Junior Bam. But alas.

      Briscoe. He was mvp against Georgia with his hustle but he looked foolish yesterday, and who isn't sick and tired of his griping and body language after making an awful pass or missing his 5th layup.

      Monk has 8 rebounds in his last 5 games. If he is not shooting, he has nothing else. He's just an offensive player which would be fine if others around him did their jobs better.

      Fox did all he could and he didn't look like himself.

      Once again...nothing from our 4s. Been this way all year and it's not going to change folks. One of them will occasionally have a good game. But don't count on it.

      Humphries is list, even to Cal. Wynyard is getting his minutes now. Telling.

      We're just not all that good. And it's Feb. This team is not just going to flip some mythical switch and be great. Way too much wrong. Not a good mix. And I just don't think some of them care all that much. I honestly feel they care more about June than March.

      As for coaching. I have too much to say and it would make some here mad, so let's just say Cal has his work cut out for him. I'm sure he knows that.

      Giving up? Nope. Just severely lowering my expectations. 4-5 seed. 2nd round and out.
      Last edited by BobS; 02-05-2017, 09:17 AM.

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      • George
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 10355

        #4
        Originally posted by BobS
        LOL. Love the subtitles.

        This team doesn't have it. We have no real post presence again. See last year. Bam is just not a very good player rift now. Sure he's big and strong. But other than dunk, he does nothing all that well. He has no jump hook, doesn't handle it well, terrible FT shooter and less than mediocre rebounder. Has a hard time with defense without fouling. In days past, fans would be drooling over the prospect of seeing Sophomore and Junior Bam. But alas.

        Briscoe. He was mvp against Georgia with his hustle but he looked foolish yesterday, and who isn't sick and tired of his griping and body language after making an awful pass or missing his 5th layup.

        Monk has 8 rebounds in his last 5 games. If he is not shooting, he has nothing else. He's just an offensive player which would be fine if others around him did their jobs better.

        Fox did all he could and he didn't look like himself.

        Once again...nothing from our 4s. Been this way all year and it's not going to change folks. One of them will occasionally have a good game. But don't count on it.

        Humphries is list, even to Cal. Wynyard is getting his minutes now. Telling.

        We're just not all that good. And it's Feb. This team is not just going to flip some mythical switch and be great. Way too much wrong. Not a good mix. And I just don't think some of them care all that much. I honestly feel they care more about June than March.

        As for coaching. I have too much to say and it would make some here mad, so let's just say Cal has his work cut out for him. I'm sure he knows that.

        Giving up? Nooe. Just severely lowering my expectations. 4-5 seed. 2nd round and out.
        I've mentioned this before, but this has been the most surprising thing of the season for me. I thought he was a much versatile player coming out of high school.

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        • Joneslab
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 39604

          #5
          Monk is physically weak. Needs a year or so before he can win any one-on-one battles. It's hard to appreciate how slight he is. A little like Doron Lamb when he came in but Doron had a weird grit about him that Monk doesn't have.

          Another strange thing about him is that when you run a play for him, he generally misses. There are exceptions (the out-of-bounds play the other night), but if you run a set like Cal did over and over with Murray, Monk doesn't hit that shot. You can run him off a series of screens and he'll come off clean and...clank.

          But if you just give him the ball and let him work one-on-one, he's a devastating offensive player.

          It's really strange and I think it hamstrings the rest of the team. It's another instance where we have four watching and one working.

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          • Blue Heaven
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 6283

            #6
            Someone HAS to emerge from the 4 spot, but I don't believe it will happen. Willis/Gabriel had their moments last night. There were two sequences where they both played great defense for a possession. And then? Nothing for the rest of the game. This is unacceptable. I thought Cal only played the guys that play defense? He's just too hamstrung this year with a roster full of guys who just can't guard. Our best defender is Hawkins.
            Isaiah 5:20

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            • KCKUKFan
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2014
              • 14228

              #7
              This is the worst defensive team I can remember seeing at Kentucky.

              That's about all I have to say.

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              • George
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 10355

                #8
                Originally posted by Will Lavender
                People are going to talk about--and have talked about--the Julius Randle and Brandon Knight teams. And I'm all for trying to find silver linings. The only thing is that with those teams you didn't see a sudden break like you have with this bunch. ...This team was borderline dominant...and then it wasn't. That suggests some kind of rift inside the team and/or that opponents have just figured us out, and we haven't been able to counter. I expect it's a little of both, which is unfortunate because if there is something happening internally to the team, that stuff usually doesn't get fixed.
                This is my main concern. We aren't seeing early season warts magnified; we're seeing a complete breakdown.

                Is it too early to wonder about who might come back for a second year?* I tend to deflect that stuff as long as possible, but with the way we're trending, looking to next year might be the only bright spot.

                *And no, not once have I thought Fox and/or Monk will return. Bam, however, could actually be playing himself out of a desirable draft spot.

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                • Joneslab
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 39604

                  #9
                  Bam came from nothing. He will not come back if there's any shot at all he could go in the first round, and at his size he will go in the first round.

                  Like Eric Bledsoe, he needs to go.

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                  • George
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 10355

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Will Lavender
                    Bam came from nothing. He will not come back if there's any shot at all he could go in the first round, and at his size he will go in the first round.

                    Like Eric Bledsoe, he needs to go.
                    Yeah. No way he's a lottery pick at this point, though.

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                    • Blue Heaven
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 6283

                      #11
                      Bam already falling. Sometimes it looks like we are playing in a rec league. This team has ZERO toughness.
                      Isaiah 5:20

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                      • Joneslab
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 39604

                        #12
                        Bam doesn't get much help from the coach. It's just a simple post and back down every time while the other four guys observe.

                        There are things Cal could do to help him out but for some reason he's intent on traditional, ram-it-into-the-paint basketball. Which is not this team's strength.

                        Bam at times makes a stab at ball screens but it's obvious they don't really work on it. I would use him like Jorts and pull him away from the basket. Set a series of ball screens for Fox and then roll Bam to use his quickness. Park him down in the paint only in certain set pieces.

                        Though with all this said, we could run brilliant offensive set after brilliant offensive set and it wouldn't matter a lick if our defense stays like it is.

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                        • justford
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 4669

                          #13
                          Teams pack it in and say beat us from the outside. No consistent outside shooter as Monk is hot or cold and Willis is Willis. Since our defense is bad and doesn't look to improve, maybe just try to outscore the other team which means put our best offensive team on the floor. Monk, Fox, Bam, Willis, Gabriel or Mulder. Don't think it would be any worse than the embarrassment we saw against Florida.

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                          • justford
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 4669

                            #14
                            I feel sorry for Bam as he looks bewildered at times. He may be Alex Poythress 2.0 as he disappears during the game. Might just be we have no game plan for him.

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                            • Joneslab
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 39604

                              #15
                              Originally posted by justford
                              I feel sorry for Bam as he looks bewildered at times. He may be Alex Poythress 2.0 as he disappears during the game. Might just be we have no game plan for him.
                              I don't think he disappears necessarily. He's been getting the ball nearly every possession.

                              Way too much, IMO.

                              Post basketball is becoming a win for teams unless you've got a guy down there who is just obliterating people. With this team you don't have to double Bam. You can just let him work. And you can foul him and he'll hit less than 60% at the line. And even if he scores, it's still just 5 and a half to six times out of ten possessions.

                              That's a win. It's why so many teams are going away from post basketball.

                              And this isn't just a Bam thing. I've thought a lot of our teams have been better if we've just let the post game come organically. I understand getting it into Bam if it's Tennessee and they just can't stop him. But the college game is a guards' game for a reason. We need to play through Fox and Monk and everybody else needs to fit into a role.

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