Termination without Cause

[blueheretic]

I'll never get how losing like Stoops did against Vandy and Loserville over the past two weeks is not "cause".

How is going below .500 not cause.

Being a head football or basketball coach at a major university is never having to be held to an actual standard.

Must be nice.

How is losing not "cause"?

That just makes no sense to me.

[Matt Dillon]

Total agreement.

[40bill]

I actually thought there was cause more than once.
the frat house disaster. The voided season. Continually disciplinary lapses.

Just me.

[bthaunert]

"For cause" is very specific in his contract. It's crazy how much leverage coaches have in these contracts, because I agree. He's paid to win football games, but no coach is signing a contract where they can get fired for cause for not winning. It's just not happening. Here are the 13 items listed in his contract:

1. Any major violations of NCAA or SEC bylaws or regulations in the football program
2. Failure to follow any written University policies and procedures
3. Acts of misconduct including, but not limited to, conviction of a felony, or a finding that the Coach has at any time materially violated NCAA or SEC bylaws, rulings, regulations or policies
4. Refusal or intentional failure to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA or SEC bylaw or regulation
5. Refusal to cooperate with the NCAA, SEC or University staff in the investigation of violations of NCAA or SEC regulations
6. Involvement in arranging for academic fraud by or for prospective or enrolled student-athletes
7. Involvement in offering or providing prospective or enrolled student-athletes improper inducements or extra benefits
8. Knowingly and intentionally furnishing the NCAA, SEC or the University false or misleading information
9. Knowingly and intentionally providing information to individuals involved in organized gambling activities concerning intercollegiate athletics competition
10. Soliciting a bet on any inter-collegiate team or accepting a bet on any team representing the University
11. Participating in any gambling activity that involves intercollegiate athletics or professional athletics through a bookmaker, a parlay card, or any other method employed by organized gambling
12. Failure or refusal to provide, in compliance with NCAA Bylaw 11.2.2, a detailed account, in writing, to the Director of Athletics and the President of the University, on at least an annual basis, the sources and amounts of all athletically related income, compensation, gratuities, or benefits from sources external to the University
13. Receiving benefits for facilitating or arranging a meeting between a student athlete and an agent, financial advisor or a representative of an agent or advisor.

The only thing, imo, that he could have been fired for cause was the players getting paid and not working. They would have had to have done it when the probation came out, which would have been after the 2023 season. I'm not sure his record, at that point, was worthy of being fired.

[blueheretic]

7. Involvement in offering or providing prospective or enrolled student-athletes improper inducements or extra benefits

LMAO


That's baked into the pie now. ????

[bthaunert]

LMAO


That's baked into the pie now. ????

haha....thee were all from his original contract, so some of them might have been removed in recent years, but more to show that they are all related to breaking rules and not winning and losing.

[WildcatRick]

haha....thee were all from his original contract, so some of them might have been removed in recent years, but more to show that they are all related to breaking rules and not winning and losing.

Losing is breaking a rule. They want rewards above and beyond when they win. I agree with the OP. Pretty simple, you're hired to win. If not you certainly shouldn't be given MILLIONS for failing miserably. Thanks Mitch.

[bthaunert]

Losing is breaking a rule. They want rewards above and beyond when they win. I agree with the OP. Pretty simple, you're hired to win. If not you certainly shouldn't be given MILLIONS for failing miserably. Thanks Mitch.

That's not a Mitch thing...that's a college coaching thing. Find me a coach that get's fired for losing and it's with cause. They don't exist. No coach is going to sign a contract where not winning is part of being fired with cause.

[blueheretic]

That's not a Mitch thing...that's a college coaching thing. Find me a coach that get's fired for losing and it's with cause. They don't exist. No coach is going to sign a contract where not winning is part of being fired with cause.

I still say BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to it. lol