Ole Miss @ Kentucky Game Thread.

[johnkyblue]

How in the world you think that, after seeing that picture, I do not understand. I get that you do, I respect you, but I don't respect that interpretation of the obvious evidence. I guess you are saying that the ball stayed exactly there the 0.10 seconds it took for his elbow to hit the ground? It didn't move at all?

[Spiritof96]

Secondly, the play calling. After reviewing the sequences on replay, there was only one really bad call, and that was the third down run up the middle on the first series that lost 3 yards. Everyone in the stadium and watching on TV at home could see that massive blitz coming right up the gut. Johnson needed to check out of that play or call time out. We ran the play, lost 3 yards and essentially lost the game.

For the degree that I have defended the play calling, on this point I concede. I can't bring myself to watch the game on tape, but it doens't seem like they masked that run blitz. Surely we could have checked to a stretch play or something else.

[SBCatMan]

John,

Unlike many on this board, I actually like you and your posts. But, somehow, and I do not know how, this picture is a bit misleading. I KNOW that seems impossible -- I mean that it is misleading -- but watching the replay on TV, it certainly seemed to me that the left elbow was flat on the ground while the ball was still nominally in his right hand. Looking at this picture, I would agree with you -- "how could that possibly be?" But, I think it was.

[Lighthouse]

John,

Unlike many on this board, I actually like you and your posts. But, somehow, and I do not know how, this picture is a bit misleading. I KNOW that seems impossible -- I mean that it is misleading -- but watching the replay on TV, it certainly seemed to me that the left elbow was flat on the ground while the ball was still nominally in his right hand. Looking at this picture, I would agree with you -- "how could that possibly be?" But, I think it was.

You are so correct!! The picture is simply a split second in time and nothing more. It does show the ball still in the grasp and not a fumble at this point. In real time, his left elbow hit the ground before the ball popped up. It was not a fumble and unless there's a picture of another split second showing the elbow above the ground and the ball out of his grasp, there will be no proof they got this wrong.

[Joneslab]

It was the right call.

Kentucky hasn't been jobbed once this year.

Some bad calls but we've gotten some too. Nothing that's happened this season you can blame on the refs. That's the easiest cop-out in the book and has been since Casey was at the bat.

[Spiritof96]

It was the right call.

Kentucky hasn't been jobbed once this year.

Some bad calls but we've gotten some too. Nothing that's happened this season you can blame on the refs. That's the easiest cop-out in the book and has been since Casey was at the bat.

You don't think that non-pass int call that took away a TD was us getting "jobbed"?

[Joneslab]

You don't think that non-pass int call that took away a TD was us getting "jobbed"?

Not out of the win, no, which is what I was talking about.

Of course there've been some bad calls. But we've benefited from some as well. Looked like there might've been a roughing the kicker call that was missed at a huge point later in the game that went our way.

[Spiritof96]

Not out of the win, no, which is what I was talking about.

Of course there've been some bad calls. But we've benefited from some as well. Looked like there might've been a roughing the kicker call that was missed at a huge point later in the game that went our way.

It wasn't roughing the kicker. Our guy was being blocked to the ground and the kicker walked over him and fell down.

[Lighthouse]

You don't think that non-pass int call that took away a TD was us getting "jobbed"?

Sure they missed that call for whatever reason, but if you mean they cheated us intentionally, you're wrong.

[Spiritof96]

Sure they missed that call for whatever reason, but if you mean they cheated us intentionally, you're wrong.

I didn't suggest a motive for the incompetence.

[Catsrock]

Nothing about this still photo while the ball is still under the player's control indicates this was a fumble microseconds later.

[Spiritof96]

Nothing about this still photo while the ball is still under the player's control indicates this was a fumble microseconds later.

The back of the hand isn't down... Or at least that was the discussion with Lamar last year and in the Bama title game a few years ago.

[Blue Heaven]

First, the fumble. TECHINCALLY, and by rule, it was NOT a fumble. In reality, of course it was. But, one of the greatest lies in all of football is this: "The ground cannot cause a fumble." Well guess what -- the ground can and does cause fumbles. I suppose without such a definition the calls on fumble vs no fumble would become hopelessly subjective. Still, in this case, the runner really did not have full control of the ball to the ground, but technically it was still in his right hand when the left wrist/elbow hit the ground. No fumble is the correct call, if not exactly the truth.

Secondly, the play calling. After reviewing the sequences on replay, there was only one really bad call, and that was the third down run up the middle on the first series that lost 3 yards. Everyone in the stadium and watching on TV at home could see that massive blitz coming right up the gut. Johnson needed to check out of that play or call time out. We ran the play, lost 3 yards and essentially lost the game.

On another of the three and out series he had Juice Johnson wide open for a big gain with running room and momentum, and he threw the ball behind him. Juice had to stop and lean back and could not make the catch. Another series had a dropped pass for what would have been a first down.

I, too, thought the play calling was atrocious, but, after review, it was not that bad at all.

Yeah it wasn't as bad as I had thought either. Poor execution. Though the two roll outs with a hobbling qb was questionable.

[Catsrock]

The back of the hand isn't down... Or at least that was the discussion with Lamar last year and in the Bama title game a few years ago.

That would matter if the ball were out. Here he has control of the ball. He maintained control beyond this point until after the left elbow hit the ground at which point the play is dead.

[johnkyblue]