Announcement

Collapse

You can find details about the Wildcat Nation Tailgate in the football forum. We hope to see you there!

4th & Goal from the 2, 1:48 to play with a 3 point lead...

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Spiritof96
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 13503

    #1

    4th & Goal from the 2, 1:48 to play with a 3 point lead...

    This isn't a criticism of CMS's decision. It is a judgment call and it worked out, we won.

    In the moment, I was in the take the points camp but after thinking about it I think I have changed my mind.

    1. In that situation, a touchdown beats you either way and a field goal only sends the game to OT.
    2. You almost had the TD on third down, if Benny gets it, I think he is in. (Smart not to force the throw to Conrad)
    3. Their field goal kicker isn't good
    4. If a field goal can tie the game, I think the offensive playcalling is possibly more conservative. i.e. less likely to end in a MU touchdown
    5. I think I would rather have them go 98 yards down 3 than kick off to them down 6
    6. If the situation were reversed, I want the bad guys to kick in that situation.

    In sum, as I think about the possibilities in that scenario it seems like more bad things can happen to you by kicking the FB than if you play for the TD.

    What do you think and why?
    Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
    ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
    Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
    No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
    RIP: Charlie Munger​
  • fastkat
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 629

    #2
    take the points. Now they can't tie it and go to OT. We're too beat up and I don't think we could stop them in OT.

    Comment

    • Blue Heaven
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 6283

      #3
      Originally posted by fastkat
      take the points. Now they can't tie it and go to OT. We're too beat up and I don't think we could stop them in OT.
      Absolutely!
      Isaiah 5:20

      Comment

      • 40bill
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2014
        • 8451

        #4
        One of those plays that looks fine if we win. Sucky call if they hit a txt and win. I almost always go for points. I seem to remember that ice last year inside the twenty we fumbled and it got ran back the other way for a score.

        UK won. Lol!!!!! GREAT CLOCK MANAGEMENT AND WHAT A GREAT CALL!!!!!

        Comment

        • RV
          Administrator
          • Oct 2014
          • 1619

          #5
          You kick the FG all day long and every day of the week ...

          ... unless you're Alabama.

          Comment

          • KevinHall
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 6857

            #6
            I would go for the TD. If you score you put the game away. If not then the other team has at least 98 yards to go or about 65 for a field goal. IMO not going for it showed he had no confidence in his defense to stop them at that point in the game. In the end it worked out though so it really doesn't matter.
            Kentucky fan since 1971.

            Comment

            • TrueblueCATfan
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 16268

              #7
              You kick the FG and get the points.....period

              Comment

              • Spiritof96
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 13503

                #8
                Originally posted by TrueblueCATfan
                You kick the FG and get the points.....period
                Were it so obviously cut and dry, why did CMS consider going for the decisive TD? It is a judgement call, the point of the thread was to discuss the why.
                Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
                ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
                Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
                No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
                RIP: Charlie Munger​

                Comment

                • 40bill
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2014
                  • 8451

                  #9
                  It was a good call. Kentucky had trouble all night getting short yardage, especially trying to run up the middle. As it played, Missouri was well into field goal range when time expired, and the coaches knew better than we did that the defense was both injured and gassed out. Yeah, a TD would have sealed it....maybe.
                  I think it was a case of an almost dead sure three or putting an exhausted defense back on the field.

                  Comment

                  • Joneslab
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 39604

                    #10
                    I thought it was idiotic at the time. Couldn't believe it with the way our secondary had played.

                    Turned out it was absolutely the right call.

                    Comment

                    • Matt Dillon
                      Administrator
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 49610

                      #11
                      Like they say, if it works, you're a genius and, if not, you're a fool.
                      Philippians 4:11-4:13

                      Comment

                      • Spiritof96
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 13503

                        #12
                        Originally posted by 40bill
                        It was a good call. Kentucky had trouble all night getting short yardage, especially trying to run up the middle. As it played, Missouri was well into field goal range when time expired, and the coaches knew better than we did that the defense was both injured and gassed out. Yeah, a TD would have sealed it....maybe.
                        I think it was a case of an almost dead sure three or putting an exhausted defense back on the field.
                        I think the call was fine, but...

                        The tired defense was going back on the field either way and after the kickoff, they were starting at the 25, not the 2. So you are spotting them over 20 yards on their final drive in the best possible scenario. To me, it's less about the likelihood of getting another 7, and more about thinking that the extra 20 yards is more valuable than the 3 points in that situation and there was the possibility of winning the game on that 4th down. (Since a TD would beat you either way)
                        Last edited by Spiritof96; 10-10-2017, 01:16 PM.
                        Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
                        ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
                        Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
                        No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
                        RIP: Charlie Munger​

                        Comment

                        • 40bill
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2014
                          • 8451

                          #13
                          Looking back at it, it was just one of those calls coaches have to flip a coin on. Louisville would have likely beat UK last year if they took the field goal at games end.
                          the run by Kash was a bigger call to me.
                          they all are good calls when you win.
                          If you lose, those are calls that haunt you for a long long time.

                          Comment

                          • SBCatMan
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 1765

                            #14
                            CMS' reasons for taking the points made good sense. But, I must admit, the OP makes several good points as well. He makes a strong argument. A TD beats you either way -- True. They do NOT have a good kicker -- True. Starting at their 2 is less risky than kicking off -- True. And, maybe best of all -- if the roles were reversed, I would want the opposition to kick the FG. So, I am now pretty much viewing it as a toss-up decision. It worked, and that is great. But, in the absence of hindsight, one could make a compelling case either way, as the OP certainly did.

                            Comment

                            • TrueblueCATfan
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 16268

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Matt Dillon
                              Like they say, if it works, you're a genius and, if not, you're a fool.
                              Exactly....I was at the game the fans were booing because Stoops did no go for the TD.....

                              Like someone else said it was a judgement call and it went our way
                              Last edited by TrueblueCATfan; 10-10-2017, 07:04 PM.

                              Comment

                               

                              Forum Ch-ch-changes - Report Here

                              Hello All! You may see some things bouncing around, colors changing, and functionality being added and removed as we look at how to make some requested...
                               

                              A Word From Our Founder

                              With the recent discussion of rules and what is and is not posted I set out to find what our mission statement originally was and this is what I found:...

                              4th & Goal from the 2, 1:48 to play with a 3 point lead...

                              Collapse
                              Working...