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30 years ago today.............Challenger

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  • surveyor
    Administrator
    • Oct 2014
    • 14474

    #16
    The shuttle program was a pragmatic transition from the Saturn-Apollo program. The cost for each mission was significantly more than what could be done with the shuttle program. The insulating foam issue on the external fuel tank was an ongoing issue. A shame, really. Lost lives not withstanding, had the foam issue been overcome as well as the occasional ice strikes (buildup of ice sloughing off and striking the shuttle) the shuttle program could have easily had another 20-25 years.
    Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

    Clint Eastwood

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    • Uncle Dave
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 1979

      #17
      Originally posted by KevinHall
      ^ I remember watching all of those Apollo flights on TV when I was a youngin'. I was totally fascinated by it all like most other little boys at the time. I can remember being really bummed out when they all ended.
      We watched the first moon landing/walk while on a houseboat on Dale Hollow back in '69. Took a TV specifically for that purpose. Black and white of course lol. The Challenger explosion is one of those disasters that we'll all remember for ever. Just like JFK getting shot; 9/11; etc. Everyone remembers where they were when it happened.

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      • Spiritof96
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 13503

        #18
        Originally posted by Uncle Dave

        We watched the first moon landing/walk while on a houseboat on Dale Hollow back in '69. Took a TV specifically for that purpose. Black and white of course lol. The Challenger explosion is one of those disasters that we'll all remember for ever. Just like JFK getting shot; 9/11; etc. Everyone remembers where they were when it happened.
        I have had many good times on Dale Hollow. Haven't been there in years however. I would have loved to see it in the 60s.
        Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
        ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
        Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
        No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
        RIP: Charlie Munger​

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        • Old School
          Administrator
          • Oct 2014
          • 2218

          #19
          Originally posted by surveyor
          The shuttle program was a pragmatic transition from the Saturn-Apollo program. The cost for each mission was significantly more than what could be done with the shuttle program. The insulating foam issue on the external fuel tank was an ongoing issue. A shame, really. Lost lives not withstanding, had the foam issue been overcome as well as the occasional ice strikes (buildup of ice sloughing off and striking the shuttle) the shuttle program could have easily had another 20-25 years.
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          It was intended that way, but I don't think it really turned out that way.

          - it was poorly designed and unsafe. The program was perpetually beset by delays. 2 of the 5 orbiters were destroyed in flight, killing 14 astronauts.

          - the shuttle was redundant because everything it did could be done by existing systems (satellites: other rockets used for that purpose; construction of a space station: Apollo, as with Skylab). In fact, they kept using rockets to launch satellites throughout the shuttle's lifespan.

          - the shuttle program allowed for no exploration

          We could've continued using rockets for orbital launches, and continued Apollo for manned missions, including building one or more space stations, and possibly a station on the moon or a mission to Mars.

          If we were going to lower our sights and throw in the towel on manned missions beyond earth orbit, we could've done without the shuttle, and built the space station more cheaply with the existing Saturn V and used other existing rocket systems for everything else.

          One of the shuttles, Discovery, is at the Udvar-Hazy annex of the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum in northern Virginia. I'd recommend that museum to anyone with any interest in aviation or space launches. In the same building is a Concorde, a MiG, an SR-71 Blackbird, a Zero, aircraft from World War II, Korea and Vietnam, the Enola Gay, a P-38, a P-51, an F-14, an X-35 prototype, a Redstone, a Mercury capsule, a Gemini capsule, various satellites and rockets, and many U.S. and other aircraft, modern and very old, including some German prototypes from World War II. It is interesting to see the shuttle up close. It looks very different than it did on TV and photos. The tiles and insulation are very fragile. They can't keep the bay doors open because they are very flimsy. It is fascinating to see it up close, and you can get very close to it.

          They also have a huge glassed-in area where you can watch professionals restoring World War II aircraft.

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