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If you think Cheers is bad, you should check out Seinfeld. Also, there's one about two waitresses that share an apartment with a horse. I can't think of the name of it at the moment.Philippians 4:11-4:13Comment
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The one about the girls sharing an apt. with a horse is 2 Broke Girls.Philippians 4:11-4:13Comment
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Loved Cheers back in the day.......those were the good sitcom yearsComment
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Cheers was my Dad's favorite show... I always enjoyed it. I was a big Barney Miller fan...Comment
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It's actually strange that I like Cheers because I've never drunk alcohol. I've only been in a couple of bars. (Of course, the show is written so well that it could be about anything and still be great.)
The only bar I frequented was when I was in grad school and we'd go up to this strange seafood/bar restaurant and watch the NBA Playoffs. This was in upstate New York, near Woodstock, and some of the students and faculty would go up and root for the Knicks. There were a bunch of people who'd battled addiction in this program--I went to art school--including a painter who'd apparently overcome a massive coke addiction and had been at one point connected with some famous artists in New York City in the '70s and '80s. I noticed him looking at me one night, just staring from all the way across the bar, and I pretended like I didn't see him. Finally he came over to me, leaned in and whispered, "You better take it easy," and pointed at my glass.
By that point I'd had probably 15 glasses of Sprite.Comment
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The appeal of "Cheers" can be found in the show's opening song. "You wanna go where everybody knows your name."
The humor is a little outdated and it's obviously a relic of its time period, but there are some universal elements to it that allow it to sustain. It's a classic.
Never did care for "Frasier," mainly because I don't care for Kelsey Grammar.
One thing that always sort've bothered me about "Cheers" was that it ignored Norm and Cliff's obvious alcoholism. Sort've joking. Sort've not.Last edited by KCKUKFan; 03-04-2016, 02:02 PM.Comment
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Yes.
There are a lot of strange things on Cheers. The fact that money is never exchanged. Nobody smokes. Frasier and Lillith are in the bar when they've just had a newborn. Sometimes they BRING THE BABY TO THE BAR. I don't mind it at all, but when you watch one episode after another you start to see odd things.
And unlike you I think Frasier is the best sitcom that I've ever seen. I almost wrote "ever made," but that wouldn't be fair as I haven't seen them all. I think it's more clever than Seinfeld. Sharper than Cheers. The genius of it was that it was able to get the dramatic and the comedic exactly right. So many shows--good shows--haven't been able to strike that balance between being really funny and really moving within the same episode.
The only thing about [I]Frasier[I] is that it slips in the last two seasons. Once Niles and Daphne get together it really never gets back on the footing it was early on. I actually think Cheers improves when Diane leaves the show.Comment
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Comparing "Cheers" to "Seinfeld" is unfair. The only thing they have in common is that they are 22 minute sitcoms.
As a matter of fact, comparing "Seinfeld" to any other sitcom is unfair. The situational comedy, by definition, should follow specific rules. "Seinfeld" absolutely did not. Larry David's whole idea for the show (and the way he pitched it) was that there were to be NO lessons learned, NO feelings, NO growth. The characters (and, by extension, their relationships) were precisely the same after nine seasons as they were on day one. There might have been story arcs, but they rarely, if ever, came to any satisfying resolution (a major reason why so many people were disappointed in the series finale -- I wasn't disappointed, because it worked the way the show itself ALWAYS worked). Many episodes finished with the audience wondering if anything actually occurred, with regards to a plot. I contend that it's the best sitcom ever not because of the comedy (which was frequently some of the finest written stuff ever), but because of its structure. It paved the way for many of the popular, x-rated sitcoms of today (It's Always Sunny comes to mind as a spiritual, if lesser, successor).
"Cheers" and "Frasier" both work as well-written, well-acted sitcoms, but that's what they are. The reason "Seinfeld" stands alone is because it bucked all the traditional sitcom tropes and created its own lane, while still working within the confines of the 22 minute Thursday night slot.
Larry David is our greatest treasure in comedy. See "Curb Your Enthusiasm" for additional proof.Comment
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In a sitcom, smoking would be a distraction. Retaking different scenes will have different billows and positions of smoke in the background that would be distracting. The money thing is irrelevant. The same as why we never see anyone going to bathrooms in movies. Not part of the story. Imagine the impact to the flow of "Tombstone" if Doc Holliday had to take a pee behind the tree before his dance with Johnny Ringo.Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.
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But for a show that takes place in a bar, it can be a distraction to not take note any of these things.
None of these characters smoked in this bar, in the eighties. Nobody paid. They were there every single day, always drinking huge mugs of beer. Rarely ever did you see them drunk.
The bar worked solely as a plot device, and that's okay, because the show was about the characters.
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