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  • surveyor
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    • Oct 2014
    • 14474

    #1

    Rough Seas Break Freighter in two

    Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

    Clint Eastwood
  • Spiritof96
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 13503

    #2
    That is horrifying.

    I am SO drawn to and TERRIFIED of the ocean.

    I know a woman (or rather got to know briefly) who rowed a boat across the Atlantic ocean by herself. The boat had an allegedly water-tight compartment to shelter in during storms. (it leaked) She told me waves would crash down on the boat and submerge it so deep her ears would pop due to the pressure change. She had to stay strapped in to avoid injury by being tossed around like a garment in the wash. (in total darkness)

    No thanks.

    She is a very interesting person.
    Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
    ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
    Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
    No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
    RIP: Charlie Munger​

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    • surveyor
      Administrator
      • Oct 2014
      • 14474

      #3
      Originally posted by Spiritof96
      That is horrifying.

      I am SO drawn to and TERRIFIED of the ocean.

      I know a woman (or rather got to know briefly) who rowed a boat across the Atlantic ocean by herself. The boat had an allegedly water-tight compartment to shelter in during storms. (it leaked) She told me waves would crash down on the boat and submerge it so deep her ears would pop due to the pressure change. She had to stay strapped in to avoid injury by being tossed around like a garment in the wash. (in total darkness)

      No thanks.

      She is a very interesting person.
      Tori Murden McClure?

      Her husband Mac McClure ran Bernheim Forest when we surveyed the boundary in the mid 1980s.

      I'm also fascinated and terrified of deep water - weather it's the ocean or the Great Lakes, or even Lake Cumberland or Dale Hollow.
      Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

      Clint Eastwood

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      • Spiritof96
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 13503

        #4
        Originally posted by surveyor

        Tori Murden McClure?

        Her husband Mac McClure ran Bernheim Forest when we surveyed the boundary in the mid 1980s.

        I'm also fascinated and terrified of deep water - weather it's the ocean or the Great Lakes, or even Lake Cumberland or Dale Hollow.
        Yes, it was Tori. She was a participant in an 80-hour class we hosted for students and the general public. I didn't know who she was, but a co-worker of mine had read her book and went bananas when I was going over the roster.

        On a lunch break on day two or three, I asked her about it and she was happy to share. The students were blown away and deeply enthralled with her story and the anecdotes from her trips that came up along the way. She was great to have in the class and it was a real privilege to get to know her a little.
        Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
        ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
        Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
        No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
        RIP: Charlie Munger​

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        • Blue Heaven
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 6283

          #5
          Fascinating video Surveyor. I am petrified of the ocean. I don’t mind lakes. We did a Disney Cruise on our honeymoon in 2000. On the way back from Nassau we were outrunning a hurricane. I woke up to a slamming sliding closet door so I go out on the balcony to finish my Cuban to calm my nerves. I saw a wall of water, then no water. Then a wall of water then no water. I almost hurled. The most scared I have ever been in my life. Never again.
          Isaiah 5:20

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          • Dwight Schrute
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 18716

            #6
            Originally posted by Spiritof96

            Yes, it was Tori. She was a participant in an 80-hour class we hosted for students and the general public. I didn't know who she was, but a co-worker of mine had read her book and went bananas when I was going over the roster.

            On a lunch break on day two or three, I asked her about it and she was happy to share. The students were blown away and deeply enthralled with her story and the anecdotes from her trips that came up along the way. She was great to have in the class and it was a real privilege to get to know her a little.
            That's amazing. I've always been fascinated by the air and the sea.

            I think if someone forced me to go back to when I was 17 and do something completely different with my life, I would join the Navy. Perhaps gone to college and enlisted as an officer. There's a ton of bureaucratic BS involved, but at its core sailing and getting to dock in places in Asia I will almost certainly never go otherwise sounds enticing.

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            • Dwight Schrute
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 18716

              #7
              Originally posted by Blue Heaven
              Fascinating video Surveyor. I am petrified of the ocean. I don’t mind lakes. We did a Disney Cruise on our honeymoon in 2000. On the way back from Nassau we were outrunning a hurricane. I woke up to a slamming sliding closet door so I go out on the balcony to finish my Cuban to calm my nerves. I saw a wall of water, then no water. Then a wall of water then no water. I almost hurled. The most scared I have ever been in my life. Never again.
              I know what I just said in my last post but I have NEVER had any desire whatsoever to go on a cruise.

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              • Spiritof96
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 13503

                #8
                I have been on one sailing trip and absolutely loved it. There is no better way to see parts of the Caribbean.

                On my "crazy and unlikely" bucket list is really taking the time to learn to sail so we can take family vacations with a rented boat. (or buy a boat) Still, I wonder to myself, you sure you want to die doing that hobby?

                We'll probably just go skiing or travel instead.
                Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
                ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
                Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
                No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
                RIP: Charlie Munger​

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                • Spiritof96
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 13503

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dwight Schrute

                  That's amazing. I've always been fascinated by the air and the sea.

                  I think if someone forced me to go back to when I was 17 and do something completely different with my life, I would join the Navy. Perhaps gone to college and enlisted as an officer. There's a ton of bureaucratic BS involved, but at its core sailing and getting to dock in places in Asia I will almost certainly never go otherwise sounds enticing.
                  I have had similar thoughts, more about the coast guard. I nearly enlisted in the Marine Corps after high school and then the Army after 9/11. Those choices are probably the greatest what-ifs of my life.


                  Back to Tori, beyond living through the storm at sea in a rowboat story, the thing she said that always stuck with me the most is, "Dolphins are great. They always seem to show up when you are down and you really need them." She had this look on her face, behind the smile, that made me suspect that her statement was more true and profound than I could ever understand. A real sense of gravity to whatever she was remembering.

                  Here is her book if you want to check it out.

                  She is also the first woman to ever ski to the South Pole.
                  Originally posted by John Stuart Mill
                  ​He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that... He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
                  Originally posted by Robert “Hoot” Gibson
                  No matter how bad things may seem, you can always make them worse.
                  RIP: Charlie Munger​

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                  • Blue Heaven
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 6283

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Spiritof96
                    I have been on one sailing trip and absolutely loved it. There is no better way to see parts of the Caribbean.

                    On my "crazy and unlikely" bucket list is really taking the time to learn to sail so we can take family vacations with a rented boat. (or buy a boat) Still, I wonder to myself, you sure you want to die doing that hobby?

                    We'll probably just go skiing or travel instead.
                    Lol. My buddy and his family rented a pontoon in Panama City to go to shell island last year. He said no way after that and he and his family were scared to death bent on that relatively small boat on the ocean. I concur. I do good just getting to mid thigh level while wading out. Walked through chest high water just to get to a sand bar at Carillon Beach last October. When I got on it, I was scared to go back to shore. That’s as ballsy as I ever got in the ocean. I won’t be revisiting any sand bars anytime soon.
                    Isaiah 5:20

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                    • Dwight Schrute
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 18716

                      #11
                      Wife and I went snorkeling in the Keys back in 2015 and I've been dying to go again. We took a boat out 10 miles or so and they dropped us in 40 foot deep water over a reef and it was incredible. It looked like an aquarium.

                      I bring it up to say that while we were there, my wife and I made friends with another couple staying there (this was in October and we were one of about 4 couples staying there). The husband and I walked up the road to rent paddle boards while there and took them out on the ocean. When I say I've never seen water this clear, I'm not exaggerating. I could look down and see fish swimming beneath me and see the ocean floor. Eventually I turned around and we were probably a quarter mile out to sea and it freaked both of us out to be out that far.

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                      • surveyor
                        Administrator
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 14474

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Spiritof96

                        Yes, it was Tori. She was a participant in an 80-hour class we hosted for students and the general public. I didn't know who she was, but a co-worker of mine had read her book and went bananas when I was going over the roster.

                        On a lunch break on day two or three, I asked her about it and she was happy to share. The students were blown away and deeply enthralled with her story and the anecdotes from her trips that came up along the way. She was great to have in the class and it was a real privilege to get to know her a little.
                        She was quite the celebrity nationally after rowing across the Atlantic. She's still somewhat of a celeb in Louisville. Last I recall she's the president of Spalding University. Her husband, from what I recall, is a great guy - at least that's my impression of him when we worked with Bernheim years ago.
                        Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

                        Clint Eastwood

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                        • surveyor
                          Administrator
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 14474

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Dwight Schrute

                          That's amazing. I've always been fascinated by the air and the sea.

                          I think if someone forced me to go back to when I was 17 and do something completely different with my life, I would join the Navy. Perhaps gone to college and enlisted as an officer. There's a ton of bureaucratic BS involved, but at its core sailing and getting to dock in places in Asia I will almost certainly never go otherwise sounds enticing.
                          If I had it to do over again, I probably would have joined the Navy out of high school. Three of us spoke with a recruiter at school. I decided that if I didn't get a local part time job within 3 weeks of graduation so I could go to vocational-technical school, I would enlist.

                          I've a close friend who sails and we keep talking about him teaching me, but our schedules never really mesh. If I can retire within 5 years, I want to pursue a pilot's license.
                          Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

                          Clint Eastwood

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                          • surveyor
                            Administrator
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 14474

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dwight Schrute
                            Wife and I went snorkeling in the Keys back in 2015 and I've been dying to go again. We took a boat out 10 miles or so and they dropped us in 40 foot deep water over a reef and it was incredible. It looked like an aquarium.

                            I bring it up to say that while we were there, my wife and I made friends with another couple staying there (this was in October and we were one of about 4 couples staying there). The husband and I walked up the road to rent paddle boards while there and took them out on the ocean. When I say I've never seen water this clear, I'm not exaggerating. I could look down and see fish swimming beneath me and see the ocean floor. Eventually I turned around and we were probably a quarter mile out to sea and it freaked both of us out to be out that far.
                            I enjoy snorkeling. I'm not worried if the water is relatively shallow when snorkeling. I can snorkel in 10-15 feet of water okay, but if I'm near a shelf on the bottom where beyond that it gets a really dark blue, I sort of get creeped out.
                            Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left.

                            Clint Eastwood

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                            • DA#23
                              Administrator
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 7342

                              #15
                              Not to take away from the thread, but on the what-if note in hindsight I too wish I had served either in the Army or the Marines. After being around quite a few people at work I often admire their personal qualities and believe that their time in service helped develop, or at least polish, those traits which help them be outstanding employees.

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